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Old 12-28-2016, 11:15 PM
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Old 12-28-2016, 11:21 PM
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Yep, pull the barrel to replace. I believe in the summer of 1958-59 , it was spent a little bit south of a town called Shelton on Hoods canal.( old school house ) Great place for a So. Cal. kid to spend the summer.
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Old 12-28-2016, 11:23 PM
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OK, then!!!

5 pix + 1 exploding head!!!

GOT SOME BACKSTORY on that Model 81 from Uncle Jim, too...


Called him up and he told me it's from 1965.
He was 16 and working at the Officers Club during a Bingo Auction and nobody picked up the gun.
He offered $15.00 for it and took it home. He thought through dry-firing they'd broken the tang...I think he might've broken that wrap-around extractor or something because the tang is still intact. Anyway, he said, "I broke it!"
Well, now it ain't broke! So, it's gone to his son, and his grandson, and that's what this history of the gun is supposed to be all about!

Now, it looks like I need to find a 'real' gunsmith who won't clock my barrel wrong, and get my gun runnin' right again.

Thanks for all the explanations and such.
There's going to be more to this story!
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Old 04-11-2017, 10:40 PM
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Thumbs down Grr-rrrrr...more to the story is not better~

After 2 months, I get a call tonight that the gunsmith can't get the barrel off.
"Don't waste too much more money on this gun, if you know what I mean...", he says.
OK, fine.
I'll go get the gun back and decide if I want to push a round into the chamber every time I want to take a shot.

I'm not happy about this one, Gentlemen.
Any advice on how to proceed?



That was a lot of high hopes with a very big letdown.
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Old 04-12-2017, 05:50 AM
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I just changed the cartridge guide spring on my 81DL. Except for getting the barrel locking pin out, it wasn't that hard to do, and I am not a gunsmith. Find another gunsmith that knows Marlins.
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Old 04-12-2017, 08:45 AM
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From several posts down, has a link and good info.
Maybe he doesn't know how the barrel comes off?
Maybe it's rusted in place?

https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums...d.php?t=901122
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Old 04-12-2017, 05:42 PM
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1. Place an index mark on barrel/receiver on underside of rifle.
2. Remove barrel retaining pin.
3. Put a few drops of Kroil on breach/receiver junction and stand muzzle down in corner overnight.
4. Use a heat gun or the woman's hair dryer to warm up the receiver at the barrel.
5. Secure in vise with appropriate care not to damage finish and drive barrel from receiver with a brass drift and ample hammer.
6. Install new guide and insert barrel into receiver. (This is done best with about 5 hands)
7. Re-install barrel retaining pin and reassemble rifle.
8. Go shoot and enjoy.
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Old 04-12-2017, 09:10 PM
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ferg, that's pretty much what my buddy and I came up with last night, especially the Kroil and heating the action.

I also agree with trying a different gunsmith, or maybe we'll do it ouselves.

I'll take a look at that link, too.


The gun WAS in Alaska for who-knows how long before I got it.
So was my Dad's 1894 Winchester Model 94 ub .30-30 ( circa '69-70 mfg. )
-- might've mentioned all that once before, oldzheimer attack --

Corrosion may be a factor.
Ironically, my Dad's buddy who finally got the guns to me is named ... RUSTY.

I may find that I have to replace the action/bbl. with a Marlin 81.
Ideally, it would be a model that would fit the wood stock my Dad's gun was in, if that's possible.
Fill my head with ideas on that just in case I can't fix the original.
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Old 04-12-2017, 09:23 PM
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Question well, dang it...now another possibility.

Maybe the guy that has the gun now and couldn't remove the bbl. might try adjusting the 'lifter', that is, IF the guide-spring-tang isn't needed for LR cartridges...geez, Louise!

From that link:

04-09-2017, 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by 'ol shooter
How wonderful for you, I guess I got a lemon.
I suppose Marlin put it there just to make us wonder why.

Marlin put it there to guide shorts + longs into chamber so that they would not hit barrel above chamber + jam - if long rifles will not feed with out spring on yours either the lifter or magazine feed is raising the bullet nose too high - if you slowly work a dummy short + then a dummy long rifle into magazine + then thru action you will see how it functions -
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Old 04-12-2017, 09:30 PM
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Also try the heat and cool cycle a few times, just like working rusty nuts and bolts.
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Old 04-12-2017, 11:52 PM
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It's keeping me up at night...I can't stop thinking about it.

That darn cartridge guide is there for a reason.

If it weren't there, the rifle would be a 'one cartridge' gun.

Since it doesn't work without the tang with the 'one cartridge' because the
guide isn't there makes me think it needs to be there for ALL 3 cartridges.

As for the misaligned 'lifter', I don't see a difference between the two guns I've got as for angle of feed...maybe some people just got lucky with 'the angle of the dangle'.

Oy, I guess these are first-world problems!
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Old 04-13-2017, 09:36 AM
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I restored a 80dl and a 81dl a year back and both had broken guides. Booth had feeding issues with 22lr. Both were corrected by tweaking the feed lips so that when moving the bolt slowly forward delivers the round to the center of the chamber. You can have feed issues even with a good guide. It should start low center and become centered as the bullet rises into the chamber.

Not terribly hard on either but the 81 required more cuss words.
If loading high both lips need moved inward slightly.
If loading left, the left lip needs moved inward slightly. etc

I did have to remove the 81 carrier a few times to get it centered to my satisfaction. No FTL in 100rds and now my most accurate iron sight bolt gun.

If not centered properly you can damage the bullet tip/ body and probably effect accuracy. And that goes for any lead slinger. If you're seeing any little slivers in the action it's time for a tuneup.
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Old 04-17-2017, 08:36 PM
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Quote from Bladeswitcher, May 2, 2009...

The other gunsmith took one look at it and wouldn't touch it.
The counterguy said maybe sending it back to Marlin would be the best bet.
I'm thinkin' that's the best thing I can do for the GUN...so, I may go that route.

Meanwhile, further checking found this quote from a few years ago, pretty much confirming that theory.

https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums...d.php?t=278707
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Originally Posted by Bladeswitcher View Post
I realize this is probably too late to help the OP, but I learned a valuable lesson a few years ago when I had a problem with a Marlin. I bought a used 881 at a pawn shop and discovered that wasn't feeding correctly. I tried monkeying with it myself before I gave up and took it to my local gun shop to see if their gunsmith could work on it. The guy behind the counter wouldn't even take it in. He said, send it to Marlin. He wasn't being a butt, he just knew something I didn't know.

I boxed the thing up and sent it to Marlin along with a note. I told them the whole deal -- used gun, pawn shop, home repair attempt. I got the gun back two weeks later, repaired, a bunch of new parts installed and the invoice read: NO CHARGE WARRANTY

You can't beat that with a stick. Marlin's customer service is the best! I had one other occasion to send them a gun and had a similar experience.

Before I would attempt any serious repair on a Marlin, I'd send the gun off to them first. The worst thing that could happen is that they'll send you an estimate and you can choose then.

Anyone with a good idea on how to make this work, spell it out.
There's been a few changes since that quote, so it may require a different way of doing things.
Thanks to all of you for helping me out with this.
It's not over yet...


Sincerely,
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Old 04-17-2017, 11:18 PM
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Talking Yeah, and well, I just ordered...

...the Remington 552 SpeedMaster I've always wanted.
I'll contact RemLin ( as they call it now around here ) and ship Dad's gun to them to see what they can do with it.

But, I've waited YEARS to order the 552 SpeedMaster...YEARS! I tell you!...and now, that's done.
All My OT belong to us! for a while, that is!

Did I mention, I REALLY LIKE GUNS?
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