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Old 05-30-2019, 05:44 PM
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Whats up with this.
I was screwing around and look at this. Says it is an exact copy. Made in Turkey. Turkish walnut.
Don't know what to say. Not Me but curious.
I bought a pretty Trainer today.
What is sickening is it gets good reviews.
Think they make a Grand Finale??

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Old 05-30-2019, 06:00 PM
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Well, in my opinion (I just got to see and hold one a short while ago), you get what you pay for. For some the idea of getting something that looks sorta, kinda like something else and does indeed fire is all the excuse they need to rave about them. It struck me as a rifle you get for a "loaner" gun, but that's just an opinion.
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Old 05-30-2019, 06:58 PM
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Think about it for a while.How can you get the same quality for a 1/3 of the price.These were tossed around on here 2-3 years ago.Not in the same league as a Cz.
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Old 05-30-2019, 07:57 PM
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I don't understand why good reviews on the Escort are sickening. I own one and quite enjoy it. It is my peep sight practice rifle coated with Amzoil MP residing in my unheated shop. My CZs, Sakos and others reside on the climate controlled home. These are not direct copies. Very similar but not the same.

I already have a 452 UL and bought this as a tinkerer project. For $172 OTD it was and still is a bargain.
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Old 05-30-2019, 08:06 PM
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A local gun shop had one. I thought it was a CZ from across the counter till I saw it up close. The shop owner told me it was "made in the same place as the CZ's and is an exact copy". I'm sure that pitch has probably helped him sell a few already.
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Old 05-30-2019, 08:22 PM
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Exact copy? No, it isn't. The magazines do not interchange.

I bought an Escort two years ago; $189 OTD. It gave light strikes on some hi-velocity cartridges but wasn't difficult to put right.

As an experiment I swapped the bolts between my Escort and a CZ-452 Trainer. They both worked although the Escort bolt was stiff in the CZ action.

The fiber optic sights on the Escort are very nice. The action is smooth enough and the mags both feed properly. Trigger pull is crisp and light. The wood is Turkish walnut and has nice figuring.

Accuracy? Under an inch at 50 yards. Not great but not bad either.

Is it a CZ? Of course it isn't. Neither is it junk. It is a rifle that works well enough to be a good first .22 for a beginner to learn on, especially if you can't afford a CZ to begin with. If you can afford a CZ then by all means buy a CZ.
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Like their shotguns.....OK but.........
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Old 05-31-2019, 03:35 AM
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I found the same cleaning rods that are snug in my 452 are also snug in my Escort.
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Old 05-31-2019, 04:24 AM
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Just to echo the above comments: similar, but not the same. Triggers are different, bolts are slightly different. Similar overall design concept -- and you can see they share some DNA. Mine was OK, but did not shoot as well as my 452 Trainer. Down the road it went.
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The Turkish currency and whole economy is really in bad shape. I mean beyond basket case, dire straights. They do have a pretty good firearms industry. When the iron curtain fell you could get an amazing good price on a cz rifle. Now, they are getting on the pricey side. Not so much getting what you pay for, but; political & economic situations. Ok, sure a little bit of both - obviously.

The thing that I find disturbing is the gun shops that buy these on the cheep and then pass them off as $300 rifles. Those are the scum bags that have plagued this hobby for a life time.

From an honest seller, these look like a opportunity to get a good value rimfire for a great price. And if they get a review, they should be ranked against other $175 rifles. That is if you can find one.

For the record, I dont want one. Just saying they maybe worth the price for what it is.

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Old 05-31-2019, 06:40 AM
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Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. I don't understand being offended by a CZ 452 copy.

And based on the reviews people still get what they pay for. For $170 you get a rifle that shoots around an inch at 50 yards (not bad but not spectacular and half the accuracy of a CZ), you get plastic sights and a bead blasted rather than polished finish. Still, it's pretty serious bang for the buck.

Personally, I'd spend the same money for a used Zastava CZ 99 precision (or spend $80 more on a new one) as it has a much better chance of shooting with a Czech CZ. I'd also spend around $200 on a used CZ 513. Both are better low dollar options.
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Old 05-31-2019, 06:51 AM
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I would like to see more of the Zastava product line. They do a cz99 in 22mag. They do a real m98 mauser based model 70 with double set triggers. They also got some stuff I hate, but so does everyone else. Like you say, the metal finish is excellent and the the stocks are a good opportunity to practice with Tru-Oil. Oh and, some interesting, old school, metric calibers. The problem is no-one imports those and the M70 I did see were all single triggers.
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Old 05-31-2019, 06:54 AM
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We all know CZ has ties to Turkish manufacturing but where does it stop? I've suspected 455 barrels are made in Turkey. The quality of these barrels just isn't on par with the rest of the 455.

Just what parts and design the Escort shares with the 452 is unknown. Some say the bolts interchange but mine do not. I haven't investigated further than just swapping bolts. Neither would close. Like I stated, my Escort is a garage gun all slathered up with a metal protectant.
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Now CZ has gone 457, new school and ever higher prices, there is an opportunity for somebody to go old school and mid level pricing. If anyone can do that, time will tell. The Zastava looks MUCH closer to the mark than the Escort, but; I suspect either company (whoever that is in turkey) could fill the void. The Escort ugly stock and recoil pad are a big turnoff for me. I dont like the cz trainer to start with and this is even worse. It might not take much to make the Escort gun a contender. They should ask me how to build this gun. And cheap will always sell. Americans love cheap. No harm to have an entry level offering at 175 and a delux at 300.
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Old 05-31-2019, 12:49 PM
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WRT Zastava, I once owned a pair of the Remington Model 5 .22 rifles made by Zastava. They were consecutive serial numbered and the exteriors were nicely polished and blued. The wood was decent as well.

However, the magazine system is cobby at best and feeding was rough. Magazine insertion and release is not smooth. The small bolt handle didn't help the feeling of roughness. Under the wood is a (somewhat) adjustable trigger that required filing to get it to a decent pull. Accuracy was on the same level with the Escort I now have.

A friend saw the Zastavas, tried them and made an offer that I accepted. He still has them and seems to like them. We're both happy.
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