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Old 05-28-2019, 07:37 PM
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Have been watching this website for several years but have not had a reason to post until now. This seems to be spot for correct information on m1922s. Just purchased this in a Sporter stock that appears to be Fajen. Have found stock, butt plate and bbl band correct or not. Would appreciate any info or criticism on purchase. Serial no. 344A, bbl and action blue rails are polished. Mag extends below bottom metal. What do I have? Not tapped and drilled so cannot scope. Even with eighty year old eyes still shoots great. Thanks in advance
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Old 05-28-2019, 11:12 PM
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charleswayne,

Thank you for posting this nice rifle. Your rifle is a Model of 1922 and was originally assembled in early 1923. Only 2020 M1922's were produced. At some time after late 1935, it was upgraded by Springfield to an M2 configuration. At that time, it would have received an M2 bolt and magazine, M2 stock and likely a new barrel. it would have also been refinished. After that upgrade, the receiver ring was stamped with the "M2" and the "A" was added to the serial number.

Here's what I notice about your rifle;

1. It has an original M1922 magazine, not an M2 magazine. The M2 magazine would have been flush to the bottom of the rifle and would have been marked "M2" on the left side. The M2 magazine was different from the M1922 and M1 magazine, in that it placed the next round slightly higher in inline with the bore to improve feeding. Your M1922 magazine is rare and very desirable, but may give you feeding problems with the M2 bolt.

2. You also appear to have an original Lyman 48B rear sight with a 1 MOA elevation knob. In 1924, beginning with the M1922M1 rifle, the Lyman 48C rear sight was used. It had 1/2" MOA per click windage and elevation adjustments. Your front sight is also a Lyman or Redfield after-market front globe. Originally, it would have had a standard M1903 front post.

3. The stock is an M1922M1 issue stock. That stock would not be correct for this rifle. Originally, your rifle would have been in an 1922 NRA sporter stock. However, after it was upgraded to the M2 configuration, it would have likely been placed in an M2 issue stock.

4. Your M2 bolt assembly has also been modified slightly. First, the round bolt handle knob has been flattened, and the firing pin nut is very thick and after-market.

5. The metal finish appears very dark, almost black and would indicate the upgrade was done during early M2 production. M1922M1 Issue rifles and all early M2 rifles had a black parkerized finish. As M2 production got closer to WW2, the finish seemed to transition a lighter greenish gray. The receiver bolt channel is also finished and indicates the rifle was refinished during the M2 upgrade.

My only questions are:

1. What is your barrel date? I would guess 1935 - 1936.

2. Is the bolt etched with the receiver serial number? The new M2 bolt would have had the SN etched on the bottom of the bolt. Half on the bolt handle assembly and half on the bolt head assembly.

You have a very nice piece of history and arguably one of the best 22 rimfire rifles ever produced.

Art

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Old 05-29-2019, 11:35 AM
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Art, thank you! Forget to mention, bbc date is 6/22 and the Ser. Num. Is etched on bolt. Another negative is the stock has been glass bedded under action.
Thanks again. Wayne
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Art, thank you! Forget to mention, bbc date is 6/22 and the Ser. Num. Is etched on bolt. Another negative is the stock has been glass bedded under action.
Thanks again. Wayne
The 6-22 dated barrel is likely the original barrel. It is remarkable that the barrel was in such good condition, it was not replaced when the rifle was upgraded. The serial number on the bolt is also a big positive. A few pieces and the rifle could be easily be made correct as an M2 upgraded Model of 1922.

One other question, do the three assembly numbers on the Lyman 48B sight match? You can see them when you remove the elevation slide.

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charleswayne,

Thank you for posting this nice rifle. Your rifle is a Model of 1922 and was originally assembled in early 1923. Only 2020 M1922's were produced. At some time after late 1935, it was upgraded by Springfield to an M2 configuration. At that time, it would have received an M2 bolt and magazine, M2 stock and likely a new barrel. it would have also been refinished. After that upgrade, the receiver ring was stamped with the "M2" and the "A" was added to the serial number.

Here's what I notice about your rifle;

1. It has an original M1922 magazine, not an M2 magazine. The M2 magazine would have been flush to the bottom of the rifle and would have been marked "M2" on the left side. The M2 magazine was different from the M1922 and M1 magazine, in that it placed the next round slightly higher in inline with the bore to improve feeding. Your M1922 magazine is rare and very desirable, but may give you feeding problems with the M2 bolt.

2. You also appear to have an original Lyman 48B rear sight with a 1 MOA elevation knob. In 1924, beginning with the M1922M1 rifle, the Lyman 48C rear sight was used. It had 1/2" MOA per click windage and elevation adjustments. Your front sight is also a Lyman or Redfield after-market front globe. Originally, it would have had a standard M1903 front post.

3. The stock is an M1922M1 issue stock. That stock would not be correct for this rifle. Originally, your rifle would have been in an 1922 NRA sporter stock. However, after it was upgraded to the M2 configuration, it would have likely been placed in an M2 issue stock.

4. Your M2 bolt assembly has also been modified slightly. First, the round bolt handle knob has been flattened, and the firing pin nut is very thick and after-market.

5. The metal finish appears very dark, almost black and would indicate the upgrade was done during early M2 production. M1922M1 Issue rifles and all early M2 rifles had a black parkerized finish. As M2 production got closer to WW2, the finish seemed to transition a lighter greenish gray. The receiver bolt channel is also finished and indicates the rifle was refinished during the M2 upgrade.

My only questions are:

1. What is your barrel date? I would guess 1935 - 1936.

2. Is the bolt etched with the receiver serial number? The new M2 bolt would have had the SN etched on the bottom of the bolt. Half on the bolt handle assembly and half on the bolt head assembly.

You have a very nice piece of history and arguably one of the best 22 rimfire rifles ever produced.

Art
First off, the first service M1's were blued just like the M1922's, and there is no such animal as a Lyman 48B. Brophys book is wrong. The first Lymans were long slides and they shortened the staff. They are Lyman 48's. There is no listing in Lymans catalogue of a Lyman 48B. You are correct though, they did have 1 minute clicks. Also, I seem to recollect the front sights were not as tall as a M1903. The OP's magazine is worth near $500. Big Larry
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Old 05-30-2019, 02:07 PM
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Numbers on sight match. Also has Romney trigger.
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