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Old 05-19-2019, 09:20 PM
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I really don't know where to post this, but here is the problem. My wife has 200 acres of land and although we have a feral hog problem we have a bigger feral dog problem. My brother in law runs cattle out there and these feral dogs have attacked in packs the new born calves. Well I found out that unless I got really close and was always able to make a head shot that the .22 long rifle cartridge just doesn't have enough behind it. Well my local gun shop has both the .17 HMR rifles and the .22 Mag rifles. Which would be better for what I've got to do out at say 100 yards.

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Old 05-19-2019, 10:30 PM
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In my experience, the .17 HMR is more accurate; the .22 mag has more knock down (bullet weights 30 - 50 gr.). How about a .17 WSM or step up to a .223.

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Old 05-20-2019, 07:36 AM
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I really don't know where to post this, but here is the problem. My wife has 200 acres of land and although we have a feral hog problem we have a bigger feral dog problem. My brother in law runs cattle out there and these feral dogs have attacked in packs the new born calves. Well I found out that unless I got really close and was always able to make a head shot that the .22 long rifle cartridge just doesn't have enough behind it. Well my local gun shop has both the .17 HMR rifles and the .22 Mag rifles. Which would be better for what I've got to do out at say 100 yards.

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I'd personally look at the 22 hornet if you're looking for a good cartridge that you can reload and make versatile. My cousin reloads 22 hornet and he has been able to make rounds specific to squirrel loads and coyote loads. The squirrel loads tend to be a 40 or 45 grain bullet doing 1400-1600 fps and the coyote loads 50 grain loads to about 2600-2700 fps.
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my local gun shop has both the .17 HMR rifles and the .22 Mag rifles. Which would be better for what I've got to do out at say 100 yards.

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If they don't have a 17WSM, I'd go with the 22Mag per better choices of heavier bullets for better penetration. No contest and I like the rf's 17s.
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Old 05-20-2019, 02:10 PM
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Since U Live in TX

Get a rifle in .300 Blackout and order a can. Not a solution for feral cats but dog or hog will go down hard with this round. If (} you have an AR, getting a very good upper is all you need.
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Old 05-20-2019, 02:25 PM
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I would suggest a center fire. 222 or 223 would be a great improvement over either of the rim fires you are considering. Much longer range and more energy at bullet impact. JMHO
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Old 05-20-2019, 04:28 PM
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I would suggest a center fire. 222 or 223 would be a great improvement over either of the rim fires you are considering. Much longer range and more energy at bullet impact. JMHO
I agree. If you're not into reloading the .223 Rem is available everywhere and it's a cheap round to purchase. There is NO comparison between it and any rimfire round. It's much more destructive and more powerful. Coyotes run off with hits from the .22mag and some make it away after being hit with the 17HMR. I shot one coyote two years ago that got away after I hit it with a 45-70 405g jacketed bullet. It was running when I shot and left a blood trail in the snow. We didn't find it after looking for a while. The canine family is tough, use something other than a rimfire.
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Feral dogs=coyotes.

I wouldnt hunt yotes with either of those two rounds. 22 Hornet was mentioned and I would consider it, if a 223 was not an option.
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I would like to know a little bit more about the terrain you are hunting. Is it fairly flat, how much brush to shoot through or around, etc. Lanes of fire. Do you have to sneak up on the 'yote or are you shooting from a blind. Are the cow/calf in an enclosure of some type [pen] or just dropping their calves on the open range.

Are there open trails or dirt roads through the property to provide shots out beyond 100 yds? What has been your average target distance up to this point?

The 17HMR will take out a coyote, but I have heard to many tails of the little slugs disintegrating upon impact with everything from from wing feathers on crows to tiny twigs unseen between muzzle and target. I have also seen one dog hit amidships with a 17 that just had shrapnel under his skin.

If most, if not all, shots within 100-125 yds., I would definitely go with the .22WMR. The 40 or 50 gr. bullets have plenty of penetration and pack a serious wallop. Select the one that your weapon shoots the most accurately. Mount a good 4x14 or 16x AO scope on it and you should be in business.

An MSR or good bolt rifle in .22 hornet, .222, or .223 with similar scoping as mentioned above can easily double or triple your range if you country is more open and and you are readily discovered by the 'yotes before you discover them.

Best of both worlds, is have 2 rifles. One for 100 yds. +- and the second for 100 yd.s to 300 +-. I had a .222 many long years ago that I used on jack rabbits on our farm in Iowa. It as sure a fun rifle to shoot and deadly on jacks and the occasional fox.

I hope you can help your B-i-L out. Loosing calves is a serious matter.

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Well I am semi handicapped so recoil is an issue. And although I am not shooting Coyotes, but domestic dogs that are dumped out in the country I have to go with the 22 mag. Now to start shopping for a rifle.

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Good luck. Keep us posted on what you get.
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Of the two choices, I'd go with the 22mag and never look back. However, given the choice, I'd actually go with an AR-style rifle in 5.56/223 and load it with 55gr V-max ammo.
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Get a 6.8 SPC II in an AR platform. Devastating on hogs and better on dogs.
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Well I am semi handicapped so recoil is an issue. And although I am not shooting Coyotes, but domestic dogs that are dumped out in the country I have to go with the 22 mag. Now to start shopping for a rifle.

Thanks to all of you that have taken the time to post.

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Tikka makes the T1X in .22 WMR. CZ 455 is another good choice.
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