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Old 06-06-2019, 12:03 PM
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I, too, had a High Standard in .22 in my youth. (That was a loooong time ago).
It meets all my criteria for good self defense except number of shots.
I might load both barrels with magnums. To shoot someone with a non-lethal round has legal problems. (Lawyers &#x1f644
A survey of defense encounters found that nobody had a need for more than the 5 shots in a small revolver.

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Wow according this chart the 380 is a pretty good choice and looking at the numbers for the 32, I feel great about my two 327 Federal Mag revolvers they should clean the house .Think Ruger still makes them in the LCR ~~JMJ~~
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My best friend who is more handicapped than me carries a Ruger SP100 it has after market low profile sights and it is always loaded with Federal 100 grain jacketed hydro shok hollow points.

As good or better than a .380, just a lot more expensive.

With those sights I can keep all of the shots in a one inch group at 30 meters.

it all comes down to what you are best at shooting.

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Old 06-06-2019, 06:38 PM
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25 rds??? Yer gonna need 2 pair of suspenders to hold your pants up!!
All I wear are cargo pants including my 'dress slacks'. Trouble is my receding hips and a belt that feels like a tourniquet to hold the pants up.
Preach it Brother...I carry a G43 most of the year, fits in the right front pocket of my Cargo pants/shorts without printing, should likely add suspenders, always a spare mag in left rear pocket. Sundays with a Sports coat a G48 with spare mag on the waist, without...a G43 in an ankle holster and currently a Keltec P32 with Gold Dots in right front pocket. It's a personal thing and if a .22lr gives you the warm fuzzies...go for it, it's your and your's hinney.
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A highway patrolman pulled a little gray haired old lady over for a burned out taillight. On the seat next to her was a .45, cocked & locked. The officer, sensing the need for more info, asked; “Mam, have you more firearms?”
“Well, yes. There’s a Smith .357 in the glove box.“
Still sensing that there may be more; “Anything else?”
“Yah. A .32 in my bra holster.”

“Mam, what are you afraid of ?!”

“ Not a God %€#~¥ thing!”

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A highway patrolman pulled a little gray haired old lady over for a burned out taillight. On the seat next to her was a .45, cocked & locked. The officer, sensing the need for more info, asked; “Mam, have you more firearms?”
“Well, yes. There’s a Smith .357 in the glove box.“
Still sensing that there may be more; “Anything else?”
“Yah. A .32 in my bra holster.”

“Mam, what are you afraid of ?!”

“ Not a God %€#~¥ thing!”

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I've always liked my old 44 Special Charter Arms Bulldog Pug with the sandwich frame & bobbed hammer loaded with Silvertips & empty 19oz http://snubnose.info/docs/44v357.htm
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gmd, the Trooper was hit by two .22 rounds and was killed, the assailant was hit with five .357's, in the chest and lived. The 'golden BB' certainly- but for civilian self defense scenarios each and every single .22 launched by a capable hand most probably would be another.....

As suggested carry whatever one is comfortable and competent with.
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Not many doubt the lethality of a 22rf but remember, when seconds count the LEOs are minutes away, or more.

Too early for popcorn this a.m..
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This one just wont die.
Will this help? Who knows.
Forget all the charts, graphs and studies.

I have always looked at it this way.

You are going to be shot 1 time in the same spot.
All with the same style projectile. Your choice.
Pick the round, and be honest.

.22lr
.38
.380
.9mm
.357
,40
.45
44 mag

I own all the above calibers in concealable sized hand guns. Carry a .380 most often. With Hornady critical defense 90 gr. FTX
Even though its near the top of my list to be shot with.
Just something to ponder.

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This one just wont die.
EXACTLY! I thought that after the second post.
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I live in Southern Texas. I too thought a .22 would "be enough."
They a 300 pound thug hit my car and wanted to argue that it was my fault.
My .22 was going to use useless and I've not carried it since - just the .45 now. At 72 If given the choice between "Over-kill" or "under-kill" I'll stick to the "Over-Kill.
I live the "Drunk Driving" capital of Texas (Corpus Christi)...these encounters are all to common.
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I won’t even carry a 9mm. 45 ACP for me.
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I carry a .22 as primary self defense weapon.
OK. Now that I have come clean....
Why? You may be asking. I have asked that, too. Lots.
I have used .40 auto, couple of .357 S&W’s. All very good and reliable.
Thoughts......
1. I am NOT police or military. I really want the BG (bad guy) to change his (or her) intention & go away. Unlike the police, I don’t want to ‘acquire’ the BG.
2. According to research by Dr. Gary Kleck, 90% of attack are stopped simply by the presence of a gun. Any gun. In 5% of encounters the gun is fired. In the other 5% the BG is shot.
1st Rule: HAVE A GUN.
3. Why is there a failure in self defense?
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‘But in those cases when an armed citizen is killed or seriously injured, it’s often at least partly because of one of the following issues:
A. The gun was inaccessible and they couldn’t get it out quickly enough.
B. They were able to retrieve the gun but it wasn’t ready to be fired — either there was no round in the chamber or a manual safety was engaged and they couldn’t disengage it in time.
C. They managed to fire shots at the threat but either missed completely or hit a non-vital area.
D. The gun malfunctioned after firing and they could not clear it before being overwhelmed by their attacker.’

(Source: https://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/w...ocket-pistols/ )

OK..... Rule #1 (part 2) HAVE A GUN that always works and have skills to use it.

4. Ammo. Are .22’s unreliable? Cheep bulk boxes, maybe. But I have never had a dud, even in a S&W 317 with reduced strength main & rebound springs. Much much better DA trigger, too. OK, I did sent 8 CCI Quik Shok rounds through both washer & dryer. All fired, though 2 required a second hit! Auto pistols require more thoughtful feeding.

5. I accidentally lit off a .357 after I had removed my ear protection, outdoors. My ears rang for days! The thought of setting one off in a hallway really requires guts. One shot and I would be both deaf and muzzle flash blinded. Follow up shot is very problematic. .22’s allows multiple shots.

The highest rated ammo for defense is CCI 32gr Quik Shok. (segmented). My crony registered 1085 FPS from 2” & 1100 from 3” barrels.

They meet the 90% rule: plan first for the most probable situation, not the outliers.

Look forward to reading your input.
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When I saw this I thought "deja vu, haven't I seen this exact same hypothesis about .22s for self defense brought up before, many times?" and "usually as a first post by a new member on a gun forum?" But I read the entire thing (scanned really), and EVERY point has been made Hundreds of times before.

Note: each forum has DOZENS of identical threads started with "I use a .22 for self defense! I think it's GREAT! What do YOU think!?" then the ants scurry around for a few weeks after the anthill has been kicked.

https://www.survivalistboards.com/sh...d.php?t=822794
https://thefiringline.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=493745
https://www.njgunforums.com/forum/in...-self-defense/
https://forum.officer.com/forum/equi...efense-handgun
(just a smattering)

My hypothesis? People that join forums and start these threads know they are proposing a fringe, barely sustainable idea. But like watching the ants scurry around and argue about it for months. Kind of like a fire starter, that likes watching the fire trucks come roaring up. To the OP: do whatever you want with your supposed defense choices. Knock yourself out. But your entire premise is so laughable I won't take the time to tear it apart.
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