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View Poll Results: Polish Wifama WZ-78 Trigger Guard Project
Steel 42 67.74%
Aluminum 23 37.10%
Original Profile 23 37.10%
Other Profile 28 45.16%
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Old 03-06-2012, 11:18 PM
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Have any of the guards been made yet? ....

Not yet. As stated we are still working on the poll and the number of those interested. We are just over
half way so I think if I can get the drawing started this next week I will post the ideas. I've been asked a
number of times if I could use the Savage loop profile I already offer for those rifles.

You can find several pics on the web site, even on the home page.



Here is what I have for the "list", let me know if I missed anyone:

1 - xl_target
2 - rbikechris
2 - OldSwede
1 - doubs43
1 - Oldblades
1 - yjjak
1 - spad124
1 - RichJ
2 - Burr533
1 - 25ring
1 - ECM1595
1 - Spectrum
2 - grayghost44
2 - m1collector
1 - BruceR
2 - 1SE
2 - JOSEPHVILLE GUN
1 - dcat
2 - chickendumpling
1 - oldironsights
1 - Swampweasel
1 - 5 in 1
1 - Didereaux
1 - ggh8
1 - JohnBall
1 - beartrax
1 - DRAGON64
2 - Kestrel4k



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Put me down for one of whatever you make. PM sent with contact information.

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Old 03-07-2012, 10:39 PM
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are there a bunch of rifles out there without ? or did i miss something ?
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are there a bunch of rifles out there without ? or did i miss something ?
they're plastic and nasty.
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BruceR here - see post #26
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Old 03-11-2012, 05:08 PM
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1st Model

Did a little fitting with a "blank" I had here at home to get your input. If I went with this design it would be slightly
different when completed so the trigger will clear when removing the bolt. Plus it would fit the stock better.

What do you think?



Also played a bit with bolt knob ideas. This bolt knob is from the Sako handles I make already so it would be a matter
of cutting off the old one, D&T the bolt and screw in the new shank/knob. When I get mine completed I think I will
put a slight downward bend it the shank so it will look a little cleaner. This one is about 1" longer than the factory
so I might try one of the shorter shanks to see how both will look...







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Old 03-11-2012, 06:13 PM
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I like them both, Bob! The trigger guard is a vast improvement; I can picture it in blued steel but blackened aluminum will do for me as well, if that is the route you decide to take.

I'm presently planning to cut off my stock bolt handle knob and thread the "stub" with an 8mm-1.25mm die for one of your Anschutz handle knobs. Maybe your idea is better....hmm.....
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A really good looking trigger guard!

One concern I would have about the bolt handle is that it takes a substantial amount of force to close the bolt and any drilling and tapping would have to be deep enough and strong enough to take that amount of force.
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I like the trigger guard very much.

The bolt handle doesn't appeal to me because the rifle can't be returned to original configuration unless a spare bolt is used for the conversion. I doubt that spare bolts are available.
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I like the trigger guard very much.

The bolt handle doesn't appeal to me because the rifle can't be returned to original configuration unless a spare bolt is used for the conversion. I doubt that spare bolts are available.
IMHO, your concern is valid, although it is doubtful how much collector value a $200 rifle will ever accrue and how much of that would be affected by an "incorrect" bolt.

You'll have to forgive me; I'm something of a misfit where gun "collecting" is concerned: I much prefer a "nice" gun to an original one. To each his own, and I fully support and encourage those who value originality above all else - as a matter of fact, as a "gun barbarian", their attitude often works to my advantage. I just purchased an absolutely beautiful 8mm BRNO Mauser 98/22 from a fellow for a high bid on GB of $265.00 USD. Why so low? It had been professionally refinished and reblued and was no longer original; as such, it held little interest for the "collectors". Too bad for them, is my way of thinking.

I feel the same way about modifications like we are discussing: just because the original designer made, IMHO, a "cheap" decision (granted, probably with due cause) to install a flimsy plastic trigger guard and a too-small, uncomfortable bolt handle knob on a rifle is no reason why I should have to live with it as it was originally manufactured. If others wish to do so for the sake of originality that is their right and I'll not call them on it.
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Thanks guys. I was hoping to get close with the first loop design. If we get just a little more interest I will
get this moving at the machine shop and post the final CAD drawing.


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....One concern I would have about the bolt handle is that it takes a substantial amount of force to close the bolt and any drilling and tapping would have to be deep enough and strong enough to take that amount of force.
I was thinking about that but when the factory bolt shaft is machined off it will leave a flat surface and if the
D&T is straight, I think the shear strength of the shaft(5mm), would be more than enough to handle what ever
pressure needed to close the bolt? I'm sure OS can weigh in and let me know if I'm on the right track or not.



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..... The bolt handle doesn't appeal to me because the rifle can't be returned to original configuration unless a spare bolt is used for the conversion. I doubt that spare bolts are available.
True, but any mod to the bolt will remove the original setup. What you could do is make a copy of the original
so you could thread it into the D&T hole as that would look close to the factory setup.






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Old 03-12-2012, 11:24 AM
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While nothing will be as strong or permanent as the original welded setup, I believe that either method, if properly executed, will me more than strong enough. I still lean towards "my" method, just because I can (and because I already have a DIP Anschutz bolt knob on the way!).

I have noted that the WZ78 bolt action - even given that the rifle is new and will undoubtedly improve with wear-in and use - is not exactly like my 40X and requires quite a bit of force.
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Well, time for Plan "B"(as in "Bob") for the bolt handle... Went after the factory handle and knob with a pair of calipers and found that the factory shaft diameter is not large enough (it tapers to the outside, where the knob is welded on) to allow it to be threaded to accept the Anschutz knob. So, looks like the Anschutz knob goes in the "spares" bin and I order a Sako knob and shaft from DIP, then machine off the factory knob and shaft and drill/tap the base, as Bob has suggested above.
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Do you have access to a lathe?
I might have one done like this....





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