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Old 11-02-2010, 05:21 AM
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Drop at heel is 1-3/4". Sling swivels are 25" (plus or minus 1/16"). My measurements to and between the scope mount holes are close to yours. It's difficult to get an accurate measurement with the plug screws in it. I attribute the differences to that.

The comb seems to have a slight hump to it...not straight.

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HF, sounds like your stock is a Target/Match stock also which matches the configuration of AGS rifle exactly. That is actually great news because it means that 22AGS rifle was probably not a custom one-of-a-kind and the possibility of more rifles with that exact configuration places it as a Winchester option rifle instead of a special order requested by a single customer.

Thanks for the input!

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Old 11-02-2010, 07:22 AM
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Fillmore, I appreciate your input, like to see some pictures of your rifle! It's not uncommon to hear how a particular 69A comes with a superb trigger, I have one on a rifle that was left for dead but resurrected by me. Snaps like glass, about 2 1/2 pounds. I'm beginning to really like that coined phrase, "Chromie"

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I can't even measure correctly with those plug screws out! And sounds like the comb on yours has the same unevenness mine has.They must be twins.

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Old 11-02-2010, 08:10 AM
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AGS,

The pics you posted in this thread

https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums...=343613&page=2

show the "star" stamp in the receiver, just like mine....same star, same location. What about Dwald's rifle? Star stamped or not?

Can you make out the stamp on the other side of the receiver. Mine is not as clear as yours seems to be. If it is a "flaming bomb" stamp, that would indicate a possible military rifle. Perhaps made as a trainer that never got into service. If it had made it into service it would have a "property of U.S. military" stamp, which these do not have.

If they are military trainer prototypes it could explain why we cannot find them in any catalogs.

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Mine also has a star on the left side and a number 4 on the right. I'm still wondering about the flat crown on mine. Do y'alls have a flat crown or rounded?
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filmore,

Mine is rounded. Until now, I had not heard of a flat crown on a 69A, which would make yours pretty unique if it was done in the factory.

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The only "flaming bomb" about this rifle is the technique used to double-hit the receiver side--it's screwed up! It may be an "OT" or "OF" but is definitely not a military stamp. Here's yet a couple more pictures, I am binge-photographing on this rifle so much that I will have to have three months moratorium on photos when this thread comes to a conclusion, if ever



Comparing where the "M" and "S" are relative to the holes, ours appear to line up exactly the same Hector.
Yours

Mine

I have returned the rifle to the way it was outfitted when I purchased it.



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I never thought about using the roll-mark to locate the holes, very clever of you AGS! I will file that tidbit away for future reference.

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I never thought about using the roll-mark to locate the holes, very clever of you AGS! I will file that tidbit away for future reference.

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JWA, Wouldn't they have used a jig for this type of drilling?
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Yes, I am sure they probably did for the scope mounts. I know the roll-mark was also a standard set-up but I am not familiar with how accurate the roll-mark positioning would have been though. I never studied how accurately the roll-marks were applied so I think I will do some measurements on mine and see what kind of tolerances were maintained. If the roll-mark tolerances are tight enough that could very well be the best tip of the day in identifying properly positioned base holes.

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Yes, I am sure they probably did for the scope mounts. I know the roll-mark was also a standard set-up but I am not familiar with how accurate the roll-mark positioning would have been though. I never studied how accurately the roll-marks were applied so I think I will do some measurements on mine and see what kind of tolerances were maintained. If the roll-mark tolerances are tight enough that could very well be the best tip of the day in identifying properly positioned base holes.

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Shhh, don't tell anyone but some of my best ideas were developed the same way.....
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More info from Hector on an earlier thread

https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums...d.php?t=173445

Also learn that tobyfloyd61 had one of these as well as a similarly drilled & tapped 72, but alas, they've been traded.

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I want to thank dewald for coming through in a BIG way, he has one of these guns and no time to play with it lately, but found the time to send me these excellent quality photographs of his rifle. In almost all ways I can see it's identical to mine and Hector's. Compare and contrast:










Comparing proof marks, they are not in the same location. Hector's is identical to mine however.




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Thanks again 22AGS for helping me out with this.
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Thanks again 22AGS for helping me out with this.
Your photos contribute greatly to my quest to verify this gun as an original, so the feeling's mutual. Our scorecard is up to three on film, with tobyfloyd's information making four so far. As I wondered earlier, I wonder how many were actually made? We'll probably never know. But I think we have established that these guns need to be cared for, not altered in any way, and saved for the next wave of Winchester 69 collector someday.
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