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Old 12-28-2009, 07:44 PM
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Think about, and try out if you can, the differences between the single-stroke pneumatics and the spring-operated guns. I bought a Beeman HW97K, which is a springer with a two-stage Rekord trigger. To tell the truth, I'm struggling trying to get used to the springer. The reaction time is so slow that it is nothing at all like a rimfire.

I'm really not impressed with the Rekord trigger, either.
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Old 12-28-2009, 08:40 PM
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Gehmann ISSF Crossover Prism 597

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I am 66, nearsighted, heavy astigmatism correction and have shooting vision only in my left eye....
Is the 532 stock ambidextrous?
I am right handed but must shoot rifles left handed because of the vision issue.
There is a solution for your problem.
With this device you can shoot right-handed with your left eye.


Gehmann ISSF Crossover Prism 597 ................. Gehmann art.-no.: 597 adaptor cradles

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ideal for shooters with defective vision in one eye or right-hand shooters
with a defective right master eye (or vice versa) wishing to sight with the other eye

offset sight line displacement of 65 mm and minimal length

easily attached to a standard 1“ disc or 597A cradle when using a Gehmann iris and / or filter
- or 597B cradle when using a Gehmann iris with the longer 1.5x magnifying lens

non-reflective matt black

finished to a 1“ collar for standard eyecup or normal eyeshield
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... Is the 532 stock ambidextrous?
I am right handed but must shoot rifles left handed because of the vision issue.
There is no mention in the dealer and factory websites whether the stock is ambidextrous or not.
The only way to be sure is to contact Airguns of Arizona for an answer.
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Old 12-28-2009, 08:53 PM
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Feinwerkbau Model 300 S

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... you appear to have moved the Beemans R7 to near the top of your list.
Is this a rifle that I should be looking at, in your opinion, based on my requirements?
For you k9jri,
Ideally, I'd go with a clean, well maintained Feinwerkbau 300S.

With the Gehmann cross-over prism.
Feinwerkbau 300S

Feinwerkbau 300S

F/S FWB 300

Feinwerkbau 300s

Feinwerkbau Model 300 S Cal.45/177
And, if you insist on shooting left-handed,
I'd go with a clean, well maintained, left-handed Feinwerkbau 300S.
FS: Left Hand FWB-300S
Field Use of an Airgun - By Robert Beeman
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If I were buying a match airgun today, and I was not going to compete in International competition
(and most of our FWB customers just wanted the finest airgun available for fun and informal enjoyment),
I would seek out the discontinued Beeman/Feinwerkbau Model 300S rifle and the Model 65 air pistol.
It is such a delight for most every shooter not to have to fuss with compressed air or CO2!
The 300S and 65 will give you several lifetimes of delight, just "thinking off" shots
_ with truly astonishing precision and accuracy.
Have it rebuilt by Beemans every few million rounds!
If you can't locate one of those, get a Beeman/FWB 603 rifle and a 103 pistol.
(BTW - like many airgunners, I often use a match airgun for hunting, even plinking!) Enjoy!
With a reasonable effort on the shooters part,
_ groups smaller than an aspirin tablet can be routinely expected and obtained at 10 meters.
k9jri, is this the level of accuracy you need?
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Old 12-28-2009, 09:31 PM
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k9jri

If you are serious about target shooting, forget springers. You won't see any serious competitors using them, except perhaps on a limited basis in some of the field trial events. The FWB 300S is, perhaps the exception, not for field trial, but for target shooting. 30 years ago, they were the state of the art. I believe that they have two opposed springs and thus, reduce the recoil and bounce, and completely eliminate the rotary torque of a springer, if I understand it -- I don't have one, but have shot a friends a few times. Nice air rifles.

You had mentioned your satisfaction with the Izzy. Like the Izzy, but unlike a springer, including the FWB 300S a single pump pneumatic can be dry fired and has no significant recoil.

Now if your intention is to work on sight picture, trigger pull, stance, body position, and the like, and if you are going to soot to achieve the best possible 5M and 10M groups, then get a serious target rifle. Think Walther, FWB, Styer, or perhaps Daisy. If you want new, think $1500-2000 plus, depending on sights (except for the Daisy). Check out the FWB-603 or Daisy 853, 953 for a new single pump pneumatic.

But if you just want to plink with good accuracy, then an R7 or HW30s or a variety of other air rifles would be OK.


You can pick up a used classic in the $700-850 range, and add a decent sight set (Gehman, etc) for another $250 or so. I have about a killobuck in the Walther, but it is a truly "fine" air rifle. It shoots 575 fps +/- 3 fps like a "tool". It has a target grade trigger (like the Izzy, unlike the Daisys), adjustable 2 stage. Mine has a 4 oz pull. It will change the way you think about target shooting.

Last advice -- save yourself some money and by one top-end air rifle and get what you really want the first time.


PS: If your left eye is your shooting eye, go with a LH air rifle. I have the same problem and made the switch a little more than a year ago. I almost waited to long to learn to shoot left handed, but I will never go back. The Walther LGR-U (referenced above) was, by the way, my first true LH rifle, air rifle or firearm. I have lots of ambi's -- none fit me as well as the LH Walther, and my scores show it.

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Old 12-28-2009, 10:11 PM
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TCups, have you ever had to replace the main piston seal on your LGR?

I like the looks of the Walther LGR and it's certainly cheaper than a used FWB 601, but I gather that the main piston seal is expensive and difficult to source for replacement.
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Springers and Shooting Technique

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... the differences between the single-stroke pneumatics and the spring-operated guns....
To tell the truth, I'm struggling trying to get used to the springer....
Everyone is different.
Springers require a different technique to shoot accurately.

Incorrect Shooting Techniques
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Regular firearm dogma doesn't work on spring piston and gas spring airguns.
That is why many expert firearm marksmen can't shoot airguns accurately
and why many expert airgunners shoot regular firearms so well.
There are two basic reasons:

A. Hold your airgun loosely against your shoulder and let it jump around when you fire it.
Don't pull it in hard into your shoulder or strangle its forearm
_ and don't rest the forearm on a hard surface.
Let it recoil and vibrate freely - don't try to prevent it.

B. When you sense that your airgun has fired, the pellet is only just starting up the barrel.
The lock time is so much slower on airguns compared
_ to firearms so you have to adjust and follow through
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Hang onto your sight picture just a little longer and your groups will shrink.
Springers and Consistency

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... I'm really not impressed with the Rekord trigger, either.
Tuning The Weihrauch Rekord Trigger Unit
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The Rekord trigger is a two-stage trigger and is fine piece
_ of engineering that was years ahead of its time.
WEIHRAUCH REKORD TRIGGER, OPERATION AND ADJUSTMENT

For the Rekord! - Part 1
For the Rekord! - Part 2
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Old 12-29-2009, 02:05 AM
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R7 with Receiver Peep Sight and Globe Front

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... you appear to have moved the Beemans R7 to near the top of your list.
Is this a rifle that I should be looking at, in your opinion, based on my requirements?
k9jri ... I think you should be looking at a target rifle that can
_ provide you with an accuracy and trigger advantage.

I'm looking at the R7 for quiet, backyard, pest control.
I need a rifle that is reasonably accurate - less than a dime at 10m minimum.
With enough power to humanely dispatch sparrows.
And, occasionally other birds about the size of pigeons or smaller.

The Beeman R7 Air Rifle By Michael J. Edelman
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Like other HW guns, the R7 is a very finely made piece, with a well-machined
and polished metal surfaces, superb metal-to-metal fit and smooth action.

The trigger is the simpler version of the well-regarded HW 'Rekord' trigger unit,
an adjustable 2-stage trigger with no discernable creep and a very smooth let-off.

The factory test target (typical with HW guns) supplied with my unit suggested
a very high degree of accuracy, the 5-shot group making one ragged hole.

While the stock R7 is a bit underpowered for hunting, it it powerful enough
for close-range dispatching of crows, mice and other small vermin....
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... an R7 is of modest power. Match sights, that's a different deal.
Receivers are grooved, as is the muzzle....
Santa Rosa Vintage Beeman R7
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High gloss blue, Target sights, Full ADV tune, refinished factory stock with hand cut checkering
Not really match sights ... Williams receiver peep sight and globe insert front sight.
But, for your purposes k9jri, I think this sight set would work.
If you wanted a springer.

The Beeman R7 Air Rifle By Michael J. Edelman
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... the stock R7...
It's also very accurate and well deserving of a good scope or aperture sight.

My first custom addition to this gun, shortly after I bought it,
was a Williams aperture sight designed for .22 rifles.

I used this for a number of years before I decided to mount a scope
instead as a concession to longer distances and aging eyes ;-)
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TCups, have you ever had to replace the main piston seal on your LGR?

I like the looks of the Walther LGR and it's certainly cheaper than a used FWB 601, but I gather that the main piston seal is expensive and difficult to source for replacement.
DoogieB:

LOL -- yes. Pilkington's did the work. Long story, but, I found a second Walther LGR with absolutely perfect metal and a one of a kind gorgeous wood -- RH stock (my original had a bit of rust, but the refinished LH stock was spectacular). So I bought a second LGR ($800), swapped the actions, and had a perfect, I mean, 99% Walther LGR-U leftie (unobtanium). I took the old action (also a 575 fps "tool") and gave it to my brother. 1 day later, the new action stopped working. I had Pilkingtons do the work. Might have gotten by with just replacing a valve seal (I confess that I don't know the inner workings of the SSP that well), but the gunsmith recommended I replace the piston, too. Think I spent around $300, but I had it done in a week. So, I have spent a ridiculous sum, I suppose, counting the price of two classic LGR's, refinishing wood, replacing piston, seal, valves, Gehmann adjustable 1.5X diopter rear sight, Anschutz riser blocks for front and rear, a new adjustable butt plate, and having a guy make me extra spacers for the stock. But I love her and she is worth it.

see: http://www.gatewaytoairguns.com/airg...mode=1#M120119

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Old 12-29-2009, 07:48 AM
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AOM22, Thanks for the comments on the R7. I understand you perfectly. I had gathered from the other posts that it was to be a "work" gun rather than a target gun I just thought I would ask.

From all of the other comments it looks like I am back to the IZH-MP532 as my first choice for new. I will look for an FWB 300 but it would have to be something local (Central Indiana) before I would go with a used one.

I do appreciate all of the input from everybody. I do agree that I need to buy a reasonable good target gun on the first try. It will all be fun shooting though.... no competition other than between a group of 5 other "old guys" at the range every week. Our .22s are Anschutz 64s, CZ 453s and Thompson Contenders in both pistol and rifles. Good hardware but not GREAT hardware. Looking for the same class of air rifle.

- Mike
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Baikal MP-532 Target Air Rifle ... Network54

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... Is the 532 stock ambidextrous?
I am right handed but must shoot rifles left handed because of the vision issue....
I found some right/left images of the MP-532 and a target.
The stock does not appear to be ambidextrous.
Baikal MP-532 - New Rifle In Town
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Center group is 5 shots @ 10 meters
Anybody interested in Baikal IZH-46M?
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... We decided to go directly to the Russian factory for supply
to ensure that we had enough inventory to supply the US demand....

... Also, buying direct from Baikal, we are able to offer the 10-meter match rifle, MP-532,
which was only briefly imported into the US in the past....

Based on the IZH-46M listed above, the MP-532 is a match rifle
with everything you need to compete without breaking the bank.

The MP-532 includes a series of barrel weights which can be adjusted for balance,
an adjustable butt pad, 2-stage trigger, and a very nice diopter match sight set.

A great bargain at $695.00.
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I found some right/left images of the MP-532 and a target.
The stock does not appear to be ambidextrous.
Baikal MP-532 - New Rifle In Town
Anybody interested in Baikal IZH-46M?
It certainly does not look ambidextrous does it. I will have to call AOA and see if a lefty is available.... Probably not.

Rats! - Mike
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Left Hand Baikal MP-532 ... The question was asked at Target Talk ... long ago.

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... I will have to call AOA and see if a lefty is available....
The question was asked at Target Talk.
A long time ago ... Fri Oct 17, 2003 9:38 pm.
Left-handed Baikal MP532 Air Rifle?
No response to the thread ... just more questions.
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Too many choices, many probably wrong for me.

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The question was asked at Target Talk.
A long time ago ... Fri Oct 17, 2003 9:38 pm.
Left-handed Baikal MP532 Air Rifle?
No response to the thread ... just more questions.
The fun is surely in the quest isn't it? Maybe I should just have my wood working brother-in-law whittle me out a shoulder stock for my 46M

Thanks for all of your help. I need to let what I have learned, from both you and the others, soak in for a while.

- Mike
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Tcups, you needed that spacer!
The RWS 75 is the one with dual opposing pistons. Firing action is sweet.
FWB 300 Probably has counter wound springs, but it has the one piston, with the barreled action unlocking fron the stock rails on discharge. It's even spookier.
I THINK the Anschutz LG380 works like the FWB, only internally.
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IZH 46m Gazelle ... Carbine

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... Maybe I should just have my wood working
brother-in-law whittle me out a shoulder stock for my 46M....
No need ... someone already does.
IZH 46m Gazelle
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Grade 2 Walnut. Droop compensated scope rail.
Semi anatomical grip.
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