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Old 06-03-2020, 03:57 AM
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THE biggest problem with red dot sights and not wearing glasses would be if you have uncorrected stigmatism that yields a dot that is more of an oval or "smear" rather than a crisp dot. That makes it difficult for proper aiming. But then you should wear protective tire eye wear anyway when shooting.

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This^

I have the same issue, a Red dot is more like a Red Egg shape!



Red dots have one downside, they run out of batteries and can be hard to see on bright sunny days.

Iron sights are great, as they usually come free with the gun, Peep sights even more so

Peeps are essentially a round rear sight which is more precise than the classic V notch





As some may know I'm a scope hater- well sometimes.


If I had a penny for every time I heard someone say "these old eyes" as some justification to get a 50X zoom scope costing £20000 I'd have around £1:50p

Honestly good spectacles are all you need, I have shocking eyesight and look like Eddie the Eagle, but I've been using open sighted rifles since childhood.



Sure it takes more skill than a scope, to use irons and there's your bragging rights. I shoot competitively in the UK in Running Boar moving target and can easily keep up with the Scope guys, My average is 93 out of 100 at a 50 meter moving target.

Usually after stepping off the firing point I have a crowd of slack jawed locals looking at me like I'm Annie Oakley but to be honest its just practice.

A March 50 zoom scope has its place in 1200 yard shoots but 99% of the time people just buy a scope for bragging rights. or to compensate for issues in the trouser department.

Don't be swayed by the crowd, think of it like this, most people like cruddy music, bad food and rubbish telly programs .

Ive always thought the same about scopes, the current trend for massive magnification is a fallacy and won't make a average, to poor shooter better. In fact it can be a major put off.

And there is nothing inherently wrong with scopes. But don't get sucked into the trend of High magnification do all scopes. As a novice it will only add to the confusion.

If you feel you must get a scope. My advice would be get a good quality brand at low magnification, try not to be swayed by gizmos and trinkets and the ability to tell the time on other planets, whilst re ordering you ammo via the internet and calling you wife to say your will be running late....

Sometimes less is more!

A good 3x9 variable zoom is more than adequate for most purposes. Personally I prefer fixed magnification scopes as there are less components and therefore less to go wrong. Also cleaner lines.

Leupold 6x42



I would recommend Leupold,Vortex or my Favorite Nikon. But theses will still set you back many hundreds or Dollars.

Don't be tempted to get a cheapo scope it will most likely fail.

Or you could just stick with Iron sights and learn to shoot proper like me
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Man,
This is all Very Very good stuff, and thank you.
There are so many things that I'm just not aware of, and don't have the experience to consider, but that's where you guys come in.

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Or you could just stick with Iron sights and learn to shoot proper like me
I would love to shoot proper like you, and in my original post I mentioned that I didn't want to go the scope route, but I can't see the sights like you. That's the reason for my post. I needed some help, guidance, and opinions on what you
guys do in my situation.
I wasn't sure if it was just me, or what the heck was going on.
I just knew that after 250 rounds in my new gun, it's time to look at options
because what I was seeing just wasn't consistent or fun.

So, today I'm going to the local gun shop to look at a red dot and see what they are all about.
Hopefully I'll find some common ground and get comfortable with the sight picture so I can start working on not moving the gun.

Thanks again, and I'll let you know how I make out.

Take care
Bob
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Man,
This is all Very Very good stuff, and thank you.
There are so many things that I'm just not aware of, and don't have the experience to consider, but that's where you guys come in.

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I would love to shoot proper like you, and in my original post I mentioned that I didn't want to go the scope route, but I can't see the sights like you. That's the reason for my post. I needed some help, guidance, and opinions on what you
guys do in my situation.
I wasn't sure if it was just me, or what the heck was going on.
I just knew that after 250 rounds in my new gun, it's time to look at options
because what I was seeing just wasn't consistent or fun.

So, today I'm going to the local gun shop to look at a red dot and see what they are all about.
Hopefully I'll find some common ground and get comfortable with the sight picture so I can start working on not moving the gun.

Thanks again, and I'll let you know how I make out.

Take care
Bob
Hi Bob,

glad to see your a scope cynic like myself!

It could be your glasses? but then shooting glasses are quite expensive. I got some Zeiss ones and I ended up wearing them as my everyday specs, as they are so clear, its like the world is in high defintition! IT really helps me gain a sight picture.

Often using iron sights it is quite blurry anyway, try to keep both eyes open and focus on the front sight.

For a red dot I would recommend a tube type sight as it will function better on bright days.

Depending on your budget there are some good choices.

Cheap but good are Hawke

Vortex are a little more expensive and come with a lifetime guarantee

Leupold more expensive and higher quality still and also lifetime guarantee.


Good luck old chap!
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Old 06-03-2020, 04:48 AM
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Thanks for the words of encouragement.

The shop where I'm going has a Hawke 12131 -->
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ..._1x_relex.html

This doesn't look like a tube though, does it?

Thanks for the advice
I'll keep that in mind.

Take care
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Old 06-03-2020, 10:26 AM
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I would first go the Tech sights approach. If that doesn't work, than maybe the Red dot route. I'd lean toward holo_ sun red dots, as they seem to work better for those with Astigmatism.
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Thanks

I'll see where I end up when I get back from the gun shop today.

Take care
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Factory sights, how do you do it?

bob-nj sir

Iím 50 and was born with wonderful better than 20/20 sight. By the time I was 18 I had to wear glasses to read a chalk board from the back of a class room, now at 50i canít hardly read 2Ē print on a box without glasses.

Itís all astigmatism and every two year when I get my eyes checked itís always been slightly worse. Every four years requires new scrip for my glasses.

In short sir, what Iím saying is I understand sympathetically.

There are two things you can do ďor threeĒ depending on how it works for you.
My first experience with fiber optic sights was as exciting as my first experience with contacts, one word.

Out standing

You can use different colors front and rear to find what works for you and line up all three colored dots. They donít seem to fade out front to back and are excellent in low light when other open sights seem to fail.

Some one suggested peep style sights and those are as varied from super basic to very expensive and also work very well depending on what your trying to do and what combination of peep related sights you are using.

Then you can use a combination of peep and fiber optic. If you are using this sighting system for general hunting and target should work very well for you.

The rear sight in a peep sight system can be a simple ghost ring to a fine peep.

Then the front sight can be even more varied and the combination can get as expensive as optical glass so I usually just go with glass as itís easier to use and decide what to get and use for a given set up.

Hunting glass for me is usually 4x30 something or 6x40 single power.

Get a rear peep of the right diameter ďI think Iím right hereĒ that improves your focus for your use with Target paper punching. Then when in the field hunting you can remover the small peep and use the threaded part as a ghost ring for ease of sight picture.

I would suggest trying both a brass bead and fiber front in either red or green.

My second suggestion would be a front and rear fiber optic sight , red in front and green in rear.
When the red diapers between the green or are lined up with the green your ready to go bang.
Finder optic open sights work great for hunting with open sights and astigmatisms.


Back to peep sights.
I use diopter and peep somewhat enter changeable but they really are not. So for give me. When I said diopter I was referring to peep.

The peep size can tremendously aid your yes in their abilities to focus and the peep or ghost ring virtually disappears so you are only focusing on the front sight and the target. As someone else pointed out your eye/brain automatically centers the peep and it vertically disappears.

Then if you get the sighting system as a whole the muzzle sight is almost unlimited and you choices are as varied as scope choices.

Cross hair, globe, post , post and globe, brass bead, and more. Circle with a cross and dot.
Again it just depends on what you are going to use it for. These front sights with this system are easily changed from one to another if you chose to get them as well.

Iím new to peep sight systems but like them enough to get a ghost ring for my yellow boy and may get more for future walking guns.

I know nothing about diopter other than they focus and are kinda like scopes and peeps and are still considered open sights.



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I am 80 so I know your problem. Peep sights do work but it is getting harder to see small targets. Red dots have no magnification and without glasses are pretty much useless. I am by necessity using scopes but not high power fancy ones. I stick to the lower variables and am liking fixed power more and more. Started with 4x32 scopes many years ago and they worked.
My Takedown has a set of Skinner sights made specifically for the Takedown. Rear barrel mounted peep with a proper height front sight. They work very well for irons but are really there for backup. Even good optics can fail or be damaged. It is also carrying a Leupold 1.5-4x20 VX Freedom scope on a grooved picatinny rail so you can see the sights with the scope off. It is in the lowest rings I could find to keep the scope as low as possible and still have clearance. If I were to set it up now I would use a Leupold FX1 4x28 fixed power scope. Same price ($200) as the variable. The Leupolds are very light. Mine is in a Backpacker stock which I highly recommend.
http://skinnersights.com/ruger_firearms_22.html
https://www.opticsplanet.com/s/leupo...mm-fine-duplex
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Thanks again for all of the helpful info guys.

PEASHOOTER67 - There's a lot to digest there, and I will in time.

JTJ - God Bless you at 80 and still givin it hell.

Right now I think I want to try the Hawke red dot that my local shop has in stock.
They will install it while I'm there and I can take it out this weekend and try it.
Any other option I would have to wait for parts etc. and I don't want to do that at this point.

The factory brass front sight was hard for me to see. I polished, then sanded it shiny but that didn't help me.
That's when I turned the rear sight around and put a white dot on the front sight.
That helped me. I could now focus on the front sight, but as I stated, I couldn't get a sense for the rear sight at all. Elevation wasn't bad, but windage was a total guess.

At that point I had 250 rounds through the gun and decided before I just wasted any more time and ammunition, I would explore some options which is what you guys have given me.
It's always good to get other opinions and ideas, at least I think so.

So, I'll let you know what I think after the red dot and we can take it from there.
If that's not the answer for my particular eyes, the low power scope sounds like the next most logical place to go, even though I'd rather not.
I will however do what I have to so I can enjoy myself and not waste ammunition guessing at what I'm looking at.

Thanks again
Bob
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Go to a gun store near by and ask if any have fiber optic sights already mounted and give them a look. I think you will like them.

If itís a big box store a Henry youth rifle will have fiber optic or fiber front and ghost ring rear.
This will allow you to experience one or both with out buying them.

I have a stainless marlin .22wmr bolt rifle model 882 that cane factory with fiber optic front and rear.
I found I could use open sights again with them and they opened up my world to open sights again.
Then I recently acquired a marlin 200L biathlon target rifle and it has the peep rear with changeable front sights and again my world to open sights were opened even more.

These two guns at this time are all I have with these open sight systems but in time the rest of my walking guns will have at least a fiber optic front with some sort of peep rear in the future.

I now nothing about the sight system you are going to try except that they are as varied in quality and price as scopes are and my budget only allows for one or the other in those price ranges.


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Peashooter 67 has some good advice. I have fiber optics on my 22-45 pistol and love them. They do help on rifles but I believe the peep works better. You just look through the hole and dont really pay attention to it. Your eye will center automatically.
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Depends on what you wish to shoot

I am about 70 and for bullseye shooting I use a Burris Fastfire 3 reflex sight. My other primary shooting is Smallbore prone with an Anschutz 54 and Anschutz target rights. Yes I had to get an adjust rear sight with built in magnafication and I use a floating ring for the front sight, which has increased in opening size.
But recently I picked up a SeeAll Mk2 - Non-Tritium Open Sight. It is for every day fun shooting. Works by using a light pipe to gather light that illuminates either a delta or crosshair. It seems to be easy to pick up that target and yes it took a bit of getting use to (I have the delta) but I like it. No batteries but potentially not as accurate as a red dot but for this I don't really care
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I've fitted Lyman MJT Rear sights (with this base) and 93 target front sights (with this base) to a couple bull-barreled 10/22's and a Glenfield model 25. Well worth the effort IMHO. My first 10/22 had the dubious distinction of being disallowed by my friends from any friendly shooting contest. I need to put that rifle back together.
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Thanks again everyone for all of the thoughtful and detailed responses.
So much information, and SO many options I didn't even know were out there.

As I said previously, I'd like to try all of them, but unfortunately I can't do that
without collecting a lot of items that maybe I wouldn't use or like, and spending a lot of money.

So here's what I did.
The local shop has a little spot out back where you can go test fire a new gun and the like. He had a Hawke Model 12134 in stock. (Previously I said it was a 12131 but was mistaken)
I went to that shop, the man behind the counter mounted the red dot, we went out back and wala!
I did better in the 20 shots I took there than I did with all my shots previously.
The difference was, I wasn't guessing at anything.
I could see what I was aiming at, both eyes open, no reading glasses needed.

Now I can work on keeping the gun still instead of being frustrated over the sight
picture I was not happy with.

So,
I've learned a boatload of things here, and still may wind up exploring some of them. For right now, the red dot is what I will work with and see what happens.

Thanks again
Take care
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