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50 Yard Vintage and Unlimited Iron Sight Matches for April

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50 Yard Vintage and Unlimited Iron Sight Matches for April

If You Are New Here . . . 50 Yard Iron Sight Matches

. . . And want to know how our Iron Sight (Globe & Peep) match rules work: Here they are:
Matches start on the first day of each month and end on the last day of the month. Scores to be reported by the last day of the month. A Score Bulletin with all competitors names raked from high to low is posted on the 4th or 5th day of the following month.

I would suggest that if you are interested in shooting this match, that you read these rules. and then: READ THEM AGAIN.
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TARGETS TO BE USED IN THIS MATCH:
We would use the NRA A 23/5 target that is also used in our other 50 yard matches.
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Note: This target is only for 50 yards. Five shots are fired at each bull for a total possible score of 200-20X.
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The "HOW TO SCORE" Graphic: See http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums...d.php?t=293358
If you don't have a scoring gauge, better get one. They are more accurate than looking at a ragged round grease mark, and the gauge will sometimes give you an extra point.
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RULES for the Peep & Globe Limited, Light Rifle and Unlimited Iron Sight 50 yd. Match;

Make sure you read these rules! If you have any questions please ask.
Note: Rifles that are used in Vintage and Unlimited Matches shall not be scored together, but kept separate as the rules spell out.
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Classifications:
Unlimited
1.Rifles: As this is the Unlimited Class anything goes except no Rail Guns and no one-piece rests. This would include production BR rifles (Anschutz BR50 for example, the high-end Annies and Walthers), or rifles that have been fitted with BR stocks. There is no restriction to the age of the rifle.

2.There shall be no limitation on the ammunition.

3.Accessories: Bench Rest Blocks (plates attached to the accessory rail or stock) are permitted. Optical front lens are permitted but limited to 1.5X. All other accessories or shooting and range gear are permitted but limited to those listed in the Vintage Matches.

Vintage
1. Vintage shall be defined as rifles that have not been changed or modified in any way except as permitted by the following rules.

2.There shall be no limitation on the ammunition except as spelled out in the overall rules.
These rules are common to all classes:

3.Stocks: Must have original stock. Or: if the stock as been modified or the original stock has been replaced with a custom, a factory stock of the same type as the original may be used. Glass bedding and pillars are allowed.

4.Barrel: Rifle must have original barrel, with no barrel tuner. The factory barrel may be shortened and recrowned. Rechambering is not allowed. Bloop tubes are not permitted.

5.Trigger: Must be mechanical. No electric or remote triggers. Trigger parts/springs or custom triggers may be installed for a light pull. Must be safe.

6.Rests: Front and rear rests, not connected and filled with sand or plastic pellets. Windage and elevation adjustments are allowed on the front rest. BiPod front rest allowed. A large single sand bag of the "Bulls Bag" type would be allowed.

7.Ammunition is shoot what you have unless restricted above, but NOT to exceed $14.00 per box of 50. Price will be before shipping or taxes. (No Eley Red Box, Lapua Midas or RWS R50)
Prices listed on the Champion Shooters Supply Website will be our "standard price list".
The Champion Shooters Supply website:
http://www.championshooters.com/index-ssl.html
Click on "Ammunition" on the left side of the home page.
Discontinued match grade ammunition is considered to be in the same price range as similar ammunition in current production. (No Federal 1000 A or B).
With the cost of ammunition rising: We will adjust prices in the future.

Rule change as follows;

8.RESTRICTIONS: Any rifle with a benchrest type stock or a custom action or a factory action that has been "blueprinted" will not be allowed in this class. A benchrest stock is one that has a foreend with a flat bottom, more than 2.7 inches wide, and/or has the bottom of the buttstock parallel or near parallel to the bottom of the foreend.

9.Shooters may use tube extensions on either their front or rear sights as long as they do not contain any optical magnification and the extensions do not form one solid tube between sights; i.e., there must be a distinguishable distance between the front and rear tubes making them separate.

10.Shooters may use any type or color of front sight insert (clear, amber, etc.) and after market eyepieces or discs on their rear sight (Merit, Hadley, Gehmann, etc.) as long as the inserts or discs do not offer any optical magnification.

11.You may shoot up to 4 targets each month with the same rifle. Post your best score here in this thread. If you use a second rifle you may shoot 4 more targets with the second rifle.

12.All results are to be posted in the appropriate thread in this Iron Sight Bench Rest forum. Results should identify the rifle shot, the type or brand of sights, the caliber/type of rifle, any modifications to the rifle other than simply bedding or tuning the trigger, the brand of ammo used, if the target was shot indoors or out, appropriate comments on weather conditions, and the range at which the target was shot.

13.The official monthly match dates will be from the 1st to the last day of the month. Please try to get your scores posted by the first day of the following month. An official score bulletin will be posted on the 4th or 5th of the following month. This match period starts March 1 and ends December 31, 2010.

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Other rules that apply are General Rules for the RFC On-Line Matches.
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14.From the front edge of the bench to the face of the target: 50 yards.

15.A maximum of 20 minutes is allowed to fire all sighter shots and five shots at each of the 4 record bulls per target.

16.If a rifle fits the rules for more than one rifle class, you may enter the rifle in each of those classes. Before you start a target, you write the rifle class on the target and enter that score in that rifle class. Do not enter that score in more than one match. You may shoot a maximum four targets per month in each rifle class where the rifle fits the rules. Post your best score(s) in the correct match thread for the month.

17.You may shoot on an indoor range from December to March. If you shoot indoors: Type (INDOORS) at the beginning of the third line of your score report. Because it is HOT in our Southern States in the Summer (And in Australia and South American,in our winter): Anyone who has access to a 25 and or 50 yard indoor range, may shoot the RFC matches INDOORS, as long as they indicate "INDOORS" in their score reports."

18.Junior Shooters: The minimum age of a young person allowed in these competitions will be determined by the parent. A Junior shooter is a young persons who has not reached the age of 18. If your are a Junior: Type (Age 14): Or whatever your age, at the end of the first line of your score report.

19. We will now keep track of your scores and they will be applied towards your ranking. Only the highest score would be counted for the Month like in the past. I let shooters shoot 4 targets. I posted the first score that was turned in. If he or she shot a higher score I removed the first score from his record and posted the new higher score. Only the highest score counts for the month, as in the past. I would rather do it this way than wait till the end of the month and post everything at once. So the spread sheet could show 4 scores listed but only the highest would count.

20. You need 3 qualifying targets in any period of time to qualify for the award. But you can't do more than 1 qualifying target in any month unless you use different rifles. Remember we are trying to get shooters out and shooting.

21. Once a shooter has achieved a certain level/class, he doesn't lose that even if shooting a lower score.

There would be no averaging as it requires a lot of time and our matches are not set up for it.

I will post new sticky's by the end of the month so everything is permanent.

Classes:
Pro-Marksman 180-194
Marksman 195-198
Marksman 1st Class 199 - 200 0X thru 3X
Shapshooter 200 - 4X thru 13X
Master 200 - 14X thru 17X
Expert 200 - 18X thru 19X
Distinguished Expert 200-20X

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PLEASE enter your score and equipment information at the bottom of this thread, in this format:
EXAMPLE:
199-13x (Vintage or Unlimited) John Smith. Warren, Maine (Iron Sighter)
Mossberg Model 44US, S100 receiver and S106 front, SK std +
Hoppes front rest. Bunny ear rear bag.
EXCUSES for not shooting well.
Sunny, 38F, 10-15 mph steady breeze.
50-3x 49-3x 50-3x 50-4x
This is very important as it saves time and in the future will allow us to collate using the computer.
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You can save yourself some time and save me the trouble of reformatting your report if you save a copy the above example, then just put in your score, name, home town, state and your equipment information. Save that copy and next month you will only have to change the score (and maybe the ammo you use)

Owen/Metaleer
 
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Well it looks like the weather is finally breaking for everyone!​

Hoping that everyone had a great Easter. Also hoping that the weather change is not mother nature pulling an April fools joke on us. So grab your gear and get out there!

The Range Is Hot For April!​

Owen
 
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"200-20X Club" :


50yd. Vintage A23/5:

1) Owen Bundy (Metaleer) - (Ansch. 1411) Jan./July/Sept. 2011, Feb. 2012

2) Greg N. (GKN) - (Ansch. 2313) May 2011

3) Richard Storms (Deadwooddick) - (Ansch 1413) June 2011

4) AJ Glaser (USMC69) - (Win. 52D) July 2011, July 2012, (Ansch. 1411) Feb. 2012, (Ansch. 1413) Jan. 2013 (Rem. 40X) May 2012, (BSA Mk. IV) June 2012

5) Gerald Dickerson (gmd1950) - (Kim. 82G) July 2011

6) Hank Smith (Pastprime) - (Ansch. 1411) Sept 2011, Jun. 2012

7) Mike Vosdoganes (MKLSV) - (Ansch. 1411) Nov. 2011, Mar. 2012, Apr. 2012 X2, July/Dec 2012, Mar. 2013 (Ansch. 54) July/Nov. 2012, Apr. 2013 X4 (Ansch. 1913) Sept./Dec. 2012, Feb 2013

8) Kenny Seastrom (kseatm) - (Win. 52D) Mar./July/Sept. 2012, (Rem 40X) Apr./July X2/Aug/Sept. 2012

9) Chuck Magers (Chuck Magers) - (Kim. 82G) Mar./May 2012, June/Oct. 2012, Feb. 2013

10) Bert Mosely (Bmosely) - (Kim. 82G #1/#2) Sept./Dec. 2012, Jan. 2013

11) James Braddy (Boxlock) - (Ansch. 1411) Jun./Jul. 2012, Feb. 2013

12) Dale Smith (Shakey) - (Kim. 82G) Dec. 2012

13) David Valdina (David Valdina) - (Rem. 40X USMC) Feb/Mar 2013

14) Mark Leaming (Mark4470) - (Kim. 82G #1) Mar 2013, (Rem. 40XB) Mar/Apr 2013, (Win. 52D #3) Apr 2013

50yd. Unlimited A23/5:

1) Kenny Seastrom (kseatm) - (Ansch 2007) July X2/Aug/Sept. X2 2012, Mar/Apr 2013 (Kim 82G #1) July/Aug/Sept 2012, (Kim 82G #2) Sept. 2012

2) Phil Hansen (Mac-man) - (BSA Mk. III) Jan. 2013

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Gentlemen,

Below are the RFC Marksmen who have earned their RFC Iron Sight (IS) Match Qualification Awards for Mar., 2013. These qualification awards are in accordance with what Owen defined at the beginning of 2011 IS Matches...

The interest and enjoyment that the 25yd. and 50yd. IS matches have generated has been both fun and rewarding to watch/record during the las 2.5 years... Not only is the competition very keen, but the true spirit of friendship is expressed time and again through this wonderful sport of ours....

Based on my records, the following RFC Iron Sight Match participants have earned the following awards for Mar., 2013:

50yd. Vintage A23/5:

Mark Leaming (Mark4470) - Expert (200-18X thru 200-19X), Rifle: Rem. 40XB, Kim. 82G

Scott Ring (Oldblades) - Sharpshooter 200-4X thru 200-13X, Rifle: Rem. 40XB, CZ452

Dale Smith (Shakey) - Master 200-14X thru 200-17X, Rifle: Rem. 40X

50yd. Unlimited A23/5:

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25yd. Vintage 10 bull:

25yd. Unlimited 10 bull:

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Previously earned Marksmenship awards, (highest awarded to each marksman):

50yd. Vintage A23/5:

Wail Abushaier (same) - Marksman 195 thru 198, Rifle: Kim. 82G

Holt Apgar (hhguntech22) -- Master 200/14X thru 200/17X, Rifles: Ansch. 64, Win. 52C, Ansch. 1411

George Atkins (52DH&R12) -- Expert (200-18X thru 200-19X), Rifles: BSA Mk.IV, Finn Lion, Win. 52D

Tom Billeter (Keeley) -- Master 200-14X thru 200-17X, Rifles: BSA MKIII, Win. 52D, Rem. 40X

James Brady (Boxlock) -- Distinguished Expert 200-20X, Rifles: BSA MKII, Ansch. 1408, 1411

Mads Breum (Mads_Breum) -- Marksman 195 thru 198, Rifles: CZ 452

Don Briere (Brer Rabbit) -- Master 200-14X thru 200-17X, Rifles: Win. 52A,52D, Kim. 82G#2

Owen Bundy (Metaleer) -- Distinguished Expert 200/20X, Rifles: Ansch. 1411

Ken Fullerton (Lazerbuster) -- Master 200-14X thru 200-17X, Rifles: Win. 52D, Kim. 82G, Rem. 40X

Al Glaser (USMC69) -- Distinguished Expert 200-20X, Rifles: Win. 52D, Rem. 40X, Ansch. 1411

Darrell James (brotherdarrell) -- Sharpshooter (200/4X thru 200/13X), Rifles: BRNO, CZ 452

Chuck Langenderfer (langenc) -- Sharpshooter (200/4X thru 200/13X), Rifles: Kim. 82G

Chuck Magers (Chuck Magers) -- Distinguished Expert 200-20X, Rifles: Kim. 82G

Shaun McClellan (Benibro) -- Master 200/14X - 200/17X, Rifles: Kim. 82G#1, Kim. 82G#2, Win. 52C

Gary McGehee (Finn39) -- Sharpshooter 200/4X - 200-13X, Rifles: Rem. 513T, Win. 52B

Jim Miller (Gus McCrea) -- Master 200/14X - 200-17X, Rifles: Ansch. M64

Bert Mosely (Bmosely) -- Distinguished Expert 200/20X, Rifles: Kim. 82G #1/#2

JD Overson (JD Overson) -- Sharpshooter 200-4X thru 200-13X, Rifles: Ansch. 1913

Peter Rabine (Peter Rabine) -- Marksman 195 - 198, Rifles: Kim. 82G, Ansch. 1813

Reg Richardson (Reg Richardson) -- Pro-Marksman 180 - 194, Rifles: Kim. 82G, Ansch. 1813

Jeffery M. Rybak (JMRybak) -- Sharpshooter (200/4X thru 200/13X), Rifles: Brno ZKM M3, Brno ZKM M4

Kenny Seastrom (Kseatm) -- Distinguished Expert 200-20X, Rifles: Rem. 40X, Kim. 82G, Win. 52D

Peter tho Seeth (Peter tho Seeth) -- Master 200-14X thru 200/17X Rifles: BSA

Dale Smith (Shakey) -- Sharpshooter 200/4X - 200-13X, Rifles: win 52C/D, Ansch. 1408

Hank Smith(PastPrime) -- Expert 200/18X - 200/19X, Rifles: Kim. 82G, Ansch. 1411, Rem. 40XB HB

Jessica Spikes (Jessica Spikes) -- Pro Marksman 180 - 194, Rifles:Mossberg 44US

Matt Spikes (Matt Spikes) -- Marksman 195 - 198, Rifles: CZ 452

Ron Spikes (Ron Spikes) -- Sharpshooter 200/4X thru 200/13X, Rifles: CZ 452

Barry Springer (Springer99) -- Expert 200-14X thru 200-17X, Rifles: Kim. 82G

David Stoenner (dstoenner) -- Master 200/18X - 200/19X, Rifles: Kim 82G

Richard Storms (Deadwooddick) -- Master 200/14X - 200/17X, Rifles: Rem.513T, Ansch. 1413

David Valdina (David Valdina) -- Expert (200/18X thru 200/19X), Rifles: Win. 52C, BSA Martini 12/15, Ansch. 1413

Mike Vosdoganes (MKLSV) -- Distinguished Expert 200-20X, Rifles: Ansch. 1411

50yd. Unlimited A23/5:

Phil Hansen (Mac-Man) -- Expert (200/18X thru 200/19X), Rifles: BSA Intl. Mk. III, Mk. V

25yd. Vintage 10 bull:

Ammohog (Ammohog) -- Marksman 1st Class 199 - 200 0X thru 3X, Rifles: Kim. 82G

Mads Breum (Mads Breum) -- Marksman 195 - 198, Rifles: CZ 452 FS, CZ 452 UL, Mossberg 43S

Don Briere (Brer Rabbit) -- Marksman 195 thru 198, Rifles: Kim. 82G#2

Art Kastl (AJK547) -- Expert (200/18X thru 200/19X), Rifle: 52C

Pete Kelker (p_jackson) -- Pro Marksman 180 - 194, Rifles: Mossberg 46B

Jack Lenco (Shorty123) -- Marksman 195 - 198, Rifles: Kim 82G #2

Bert Mosely (Bmosely) -- Expert 200-18X thru 200-19X, Rifles: Kim. 82G#1

25yd. Unlimited 10 bull:

Please remember to send Owen (Metaleer) a PM or email defining where you want your Award certificate/s sent to.

Congrats and Good Luck !

Owen / Holt / Art
 
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Florida, April 1, 2013

Vintage Class
Martini 12/15
Factory Parker Hale sights
Wolf Match Extra
Cabelas front rest and Protektor rear bag
Winds 10-15
200-15x and 200-13x

I had thought with April Fool's Day of posting a 200-25x, but the winds wouldn't let me do that. But the thought was there. AJ has been having vision problems and hopefully that will get cleared up soon. The weather for Friday doesn't look promising. 60% chance of rain and 15 to 20 mph of wind. Phil found a club to shoot at much closer to his home. Sebastian was quite a hike for him. We will miss him at the range, but I have threatened to go to his range and shoot with him there someday. Owen's Maine is due for relief from cold and snow and it will soon be mud and black flies.
 
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We go from winter to mud season. Things might be good this year for they say if the ticks are out early black flies will not be bad. The ticks are definitely here already. Another great day for shooting;
"Windy with a mix of clouds and sun. Temps nearly steady in the mid to upper 30s. Winds W at 20 to 30 mph. Winds could occasionally gust over 40 mph."
 
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200-17X 50-4 50-4 50-5 50-4
Scott Ring ( Oldblades ) East Bethel, Mn.
Vintage - 40XB HB - Rock BR front Protektor Rear
Redfield Palma rear Olympic Front Wolf MT
45deg 10-15 Variable

Big Big day today. While on my route, I stopped in at a local pawn shop that I have dealt with before. Good guys to their known customers.

Well, I walked in and was finally offered a Walther KKM GX-1 that I had been pounding them on since last fall. The market up here on .22 target rifles is pretty much non-existent so I knew I had a real good chance at a deal, and it was near impossible that it was going anywhere but home with me eventually.

Came back to find that my CMP rusty Kimber finally shipped today, so now if I can solve the logistics problem of being in 2 places at one time, my target shooting arsenal will double by tomorrow afternoon.
 
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April

200/14X, Tom Billeter(Keeley),Tucson AZ
BSA MKlll Intl., Freeland Tube Sights , Eley Target
Cowan/Protektor, Temp 60's to 80 while I was there
50/3X, 50/4X, 50/5X, 50/2x = 200/14X

Winchester 52B, Freeland Tube sights, Eley Target
Same as above
50/3X, 50/X, 50/3X, 50/2X = 200/9X

That 50/2X was a .155" group-------in the wrong place. Great fun anyway.

T
 
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Spring approaching, finally

First item, a well done to Oldblades and Keeley for your scores with the Rem 40XB and BSA mk III respectively! ;)
I have been playing with various combinations of my sights, adapters, irises, & front sight inserts while waiting for the weather to improve. Recently I found two nice websites dealing with premium iron sights (mostly beyond my budget, but great stuff).
The first is Phoenix Precision, www.phoenixprec.com - this one is in Minnesota, Scott (anywhere nearby?); they make a fabulous rear sight. My older Redfields pale by comparison, but I didn't have to take out a mortgage for them.
The second site for sights is Intershoot in England, www.intershoot.co.uk - they handle half a dozen European competition-level iron sights, including Anschutz, Walther, Centra, Gehmann, & Hammerli - very nice; I like the Gehmann sight accessories, such as leaf irises, as much or more than Anschutz; definitely worth checking on.
Next week is supposed to bring upper 60s and wind speeds below 10 mph in Virginia - finally.
-- Holt/hhguns --
 
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First item, a well done to Oldblades and Keeley for your scores with the Rem 40XB and BSA mk III respectively! ;)
I have been playing with various combinations of my sights, adapters, irises, & front sight inserts while waiting for the weather to improve. Recently I found two nice websites dealing with premium iron sights (mostly beyond my budget, but great stuff).
The first is Phoenix Precision, www.phoenixprec.com - this one is in Minnesota, Scott (anywhere nearby?); they make a fabulous rear sight. My older Redfields pale by comparison, but I didn't have to take out a mortgage for them.
The second site for sights is Intershoot in England, www.intershoot.co.uk - they handle half a dozen European competition-level iron sights, including Anschutz, Walther, Centra, Gehmann, & Hammerli - very nice; I like the Gehmann sight accessories, such as leaf irises, as much or more than Anschutz; definitely worth checking on.
Next week is supposed to bring upper 60s and wind speeds below 10 mph in Virginia - finally.
-- Holt/hhguns --
Holt,
Don't know much about the premium sights, but I will say I've got Tuesday marked down as a "shootin' day". I saw the weather, got off work and I'm going to go bang pow! Hope the weatherman isn't lying... The other day really got me yearning to shoot more. I can't wait....

Kenny
 
#20 ·
Dale
Now you did it. I have 2-3 sight sets for most of my target rifles. If I sell all but one set per rifle I can pick up at least 3 Phoenix rear sights. One for the Anschutz, Remington and Walther. I feel a sight sale coming up.

Now if the weather would just behave. Today: Sunny with gusty winds. High near 40F. Winds NW at 20 to 30 mph.

Thank you for the pictures. What a beautiful setup.
Owen
 
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To Shakey -
Thanks for posting the great photos of your Phoenix sight - they look solid! Expensive and rare birds.
* Mark's HPsight looks somewhat similar in quality - new to me.


To Oldblades -
Tell us more about the Walther GX-1; did it come home with you? Photos and more info would be of great interest - a GX-1 is a rare gem!
Hope that you did get it & that it will turn out to be a superb match rifle. So far I have only seen one shooter's GX-1.
Thanks for Walther date code info. My older KKM heavy match rifle really is undated - no codes & no date, thus early 1960s. The KK UIT Special is literally dated "69" on barrel, left side, by the proof marks.

-- Holt/hhguns --
 
#24 ·
To Oldblades -
Tell us more about the Walther GX-1; did it come home with you? Photos and more info would be of great interest - a GX-1 is a rare gem!
Hope that you did get it & that it will turn out to be a superb match rifle. So far I have only seen one shooter's GX-1.
-- Holt/hhguns --
Holt, Thank you for asking my friend. :bthumb:
Yes I did get it and am in a bit of awe this morning, once I had a chance to really get into it. The previous owner babied it immensely, and its absolutely mint. I have the feeling now of being a caretaker instead of an owner.
To be honest, I really have no practical use for it though, other than to simply admire it and play with all the 'gadgets'. I'm a left handed shooter that likes bench shooting with a right handed position rifle.
For now, I'm just kind of in a 'absorbing' mode.

I'll update in the Walther forum when I get everything straightened out and I come off the cloud I'm on. :)
 
#25 ·
To Mark,
Thanks for the info on your HPsight and the great photos - very helpful.


To Scott,
Your GX-1 sounds pristine; there are a couple of photos of one posted a few months ago by a Canadian, west coast shooter on the Walther (non-RFC) Forum, and one on the NRA museum site - but that's it.
Looking forward to hearing more as things settle - there is nothing like getting a good deal on a really fantastic rifle. The GX-1 seems to have been Walther's response to the Anschutz 1413 or 1813 Match rifles, as I see it. I'll watch both Walther forums for more.

-- Holt/hhguns --
 
#26 ·
Mark
I do not know that much about the HP sight and would greatly appreciate it if you keep us informed as to how well it works for you. Can you get 50, 100 and 200 yards without adding risers? As a machinist I can see the quality of both it and the Phoenix sight. I know the reputation of the Phoenix from match shooters at the club, which is why I want one (very badly to be honest). Good thing is my wife and daughter reminded me next week is my birthday and what did I want? :rolleyes: I am hoping.
Owen
 
#27 ·
As many of you know David spends time visiting us here in Maine. He helped me lay out a 25, 50 and 100 yard range that I shoot at and also use for teaching. His family is our family and today my wife and daughter went to an RV show. This is what they came back with:

We have been working on the range and are looking forward to the spring and shooting. The range is lined with trees and has a small pond you have to cross over. I built a very stable bench last year and we also have a fire pit and trailer for gatherings. I will post pictures when things get greener.
Owen
 
#29 · (Edited)
Quick sight comparison.

Phoenix rear sight; 70 Minutes Elevation, 60 Minutes Windage, aircraft aluminum, bronze and ss, 1/4 min clicks, Price $408-437

HP rear sight; 45 Minutes Elevation, 50 Minutes Windage, all steel construction, 1/8 Minute clicks, Price $400

Both sights are of high quality materials and expertly made.
 
#31 ·
Quick sight comparison.

Phoenix rear sight; 70 Minutes Elevation, 60 Minutes Windage, aircraft aluminum, bronze and ss, 1/4 min clicks, Price $408-437

HP rear sight; 45 Minutes Elevation, 50 Minutes Windage, all steel construction, 1/8 Minute clicks, Price $400

Redfield Palma rear sight; 60 Minutes of Elevation, 36 Minutes Windage, all steel construction, 1/4 Minute clicks

Both sights are of high quality materials and expertly made.
"The arcminute is commonly found in the firearms industry and literature, particularly concerning the accuracy of rifles, though the industry refers to it as minute of angle. It is especially popular with shooters familiar with the Imperial measurement system because 1 MOA subtends approximately one inch at 100 yards, a traditional distance on target ranges. Since most modern rifle scopes and sights are adjustable in half (1⁄2), quarter (1⁄4), or eighth (1⁄8) MOA increments, also known as clicks, this makes zeroing and adjustments much easier. For example, if the point of impact is 3" high and 1.5" left of the point of aim at 100 yards, the scope or sight needs to be adjusted 3 MOA down, and 1.5 MOA right."

1/4 or 1/8 minute is the norm for most sights. Military are usually 1/2 minute.

As an example for me to go from 50 yards to 100 yards my rear sight must be able to adjust an additional 150 clicks at 1/6 minute clicks. Unless I can do this I must add a riser blocks. I usually have a sight set up for each of the following: indoors, 25/50 yards and 100/200 so I just have to remove the sight and replace it with the required sight, and I am ready to go. Minor adjustments are no big deal, but 150 clicks is a lot. If you have only one sight you will have to adjust your sight to your required needs. Like Dale says "IMHO, just that we are obsessed/insane/crazy or some combo of those!" As an engineer sometimes I get too technical.
 
#30 ·
Mark, Love the HP sight, wasn't aware of that when I bought the Phoenix, but the 1/8 MOA clicks might have influenced by decision a bit. :bthumb::bthumb:

What's Owen's post mean? IMHO, just that we are obsessed/insane/crazy or some combo of those!! :eek::D
 
#33 · (Edited)
Speaking of high end sights, ebay has a Mark 10 up for auction. I have never seen one in my life that I can remember. So here it is for a short time for all to see;

A Redfield Mark 10 Precision Target Sight. They were special order only in late 1975 and 1976. Used with the Olympic or International bases. Can be quickly changed from mid to long range. Can be mounted on either side of the receiver, by way of a reversible aperture and graduated elevation and windage scales.

Look up ebay item number 390568851824

Price - Only $850 starting bid. :D
 
#37 ·
Florida, April 8, 2013

Vintage Class
Remington 40x, USMC marked
Redfield Palma sight, a trade from John as he knew I wanted one. He got the Olympic sight. I suspect it won't make any difference, but I always wanted one and now I have one. I went through three different front apertures today. Experimenting.
200-16x, 200-15x
SK Rifle Match
Cabelas front rest and Protektor Rear Bag
Had wind flags out today, winds light at first, then picked up a bit.
 
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