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Old 01-18-2020, 07:34 PM
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I've had the 1418 Stutzen below a good while now. It's a 1962 year, in overall really fine condition. Shoot like...well...an Anschutz I have a Diapi-D on it in beautiful German lever 22mm tube rings (been thinking of putting a Meopta Malov 2.5X 22mm tube scope on it, but can't bring myself to take the Meopta out of it's original Brno Model 1 bridge mount, let alone removing a Hensoldt from an Anschutz ) - some may recall when I made the more convenient to adjust turret wheels rather than the miniscule Hensoldt coin adjusters (ket safe in my parts drawers).

I hate asking this question, but it's time to renew firearms insurance. I've seen wild variations on pricing for these (if you think these are uncommon in the US, try here in Australia). I recall I paid ~$600 US on this when I got it. Just a FAIR price for insurance please based on the US market. Being almost irreplaceable, it needs to be insured.

No, it is NOT being sold. EVER. PERIOD.

Have yet to modify modern Anschutz mags to fit it (a hair too wide, so need a minor slimming) - thats both the 5 and 10 shot modern mags - though the modern red plastic single shot insert fits fine (I use this a LOT since I do not hunt).

A question though I never really had answered by the Anschutz brains trust - should the cocking piece be blued as mine is, or did a prior owner replace it or have it blued? Very easy to revert it to white, but I am not going to if Anschutz ever sent these out with blued cocking piece assemblies. I have never found a picture of another 1418 with a blued one.
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Old 01-18-2020, 08:34 PM
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That's a nice looking rifle. I believe the cocking piece is blued on the older 64's.
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I have an early pre-1418 "Junior Varminter" full stock that has a completely blued bolt assembly. (un-marked, pre-58)

I also have a later 1418 full stock that has a completely in-the-white bolt assembly. (67)

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Old 01-19-2020, 06:33 AM
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At least 1500.00 US.
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Old 01-19-2020, 06:50 AM
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Thanks everyone.

I'll insure it for at least $2000 Aus (which is roughly $1500 US)
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Old 01-19-2020, 07:04 AM
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Why is that called a Stutzen?
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Old 01-19-2020, 07:23 AM
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Why is that called a Stutzen?
German term for mannlicher.
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Old 01-19-2020, 07:27 AM
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Ah, thank you. I have a 1518, the 22mag version. The cocking piece is not blue.

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Old 01-19-2020, 07:35 AM
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Have yet to modify modern Anschutz mags to fit it (a hair too wide, so need a minor slimming) - thats both the 5 and 10 shot modern mags - though the modern red plastic single shot insert fits fine (I use this a LOT since I do not hunt).

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The magwell in my very early 54 sporters accepts all Anschutz magazines, regardless of vintage. I would recommend to change the magwell.

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Why is that called a Stutzen?
Ferdinand Ritter von Mannlicher was an Austrian engineer, born in 1848, centuries after the full stocked rifles became popular, hence calling a full stocked rifle a Mannlicher is a misnomer.

The word stutzen comes from the old German verb stutzen, meaning to cut. A true Stutzen is a shortened full stocked rifle version.

That 1418 that you have is a great rifle and it is sad that Anschutz discontinued it. I think your rear mount is put in front accidentally.

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Old 01-19-2020, 07:55 AM
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The original 5 and 10 round mags fit perfectly in the rifle - in and out - so I am not changing the mag well to suit the new magazines - I am in no rush to use the new made mags. (in fact, the new 10 round one fits OK, but the new 5 round one definitely is a WAY too tight affair - could be just that magazine I suppose)

The bases are reversed. It's zeroed precisely, so MAYBE...

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Old 01-19-2020, 07:55 AM
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Maybe we should call it a nein-stutzen. My only German learned from TV/Movies

It is funny how scopes sometimes get mounted. I saw one on the rack at cabelas with the scope turned 90 degree counter clock wise. How odd. And yet it would work fine. The windage was on top for elevation and elevation was on the left side and worked as the windage!

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Old 01-19-2020, 08:39 AM
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I think your rear mount is put in front accidentally.
It's 12:34am ( ) here now, and I got up 30 min ago, opened the safe, fiddled around with these UBER tight AKAH lever rings... put the windage adjustable ring on the back, finally got the locked lever position to be symmetrical (I got both precisely horizontal this time after repeated adjustments to the nut ), then spent the next 10 min getting the post-reticle vertical again and all level.

Wife looked at me and said "What the hell are you doing?" I said "Changing a Diapi"...she responded "Yeah, your Depends..."

I love my wife...
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Old 01-19-2020, 09:29 AM
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Further information on the German terminology.

According to "The Stutzen Rifles- Berg, Bolt, Feuer, Ischler and Pirsch" by Larry B. Schuknecht

"By definition a Stutzen is a short rifle or carbine. This catagory of rifles includes several varieties that are differant in both style and construction. ... A Stutzen rifle is also often referred to as a Stalking rifle and as a class are of lighter weight." http://www.germanhuntingguns.com/abo...er-and-pirsch/

The full length stock on a sporter rifle is often called a Mannlicher stock because of its similarity to rifles designed by Mannlicher the Austrian engineer and gun maker. As Andyd notes, full stocks have been used on rifles before Mannlicher's time.

Below is a Mannlicher Model 1895

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Old 01-19-2020, 09:45 AM
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Then Stutzen refers to the barrel length and not the stock. That leaves Mannlicher as the more descriptive term for the stock. We have Mannlicher rifles and Mannlicher carbines. Could I say we have Mannlicher Stutzen for the carbine version? Or am I been silly now?

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