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Old 03-19-2020, 08:30 AM
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I have a Model 1 tgf with serial #06131. Can any of you Brno gurus tell me in what year it was likely manufactured? And thank you!

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That's the $64,000 question Doug, no real proof exactly when. Likely 1945-46 by the latest "facts/thinking".
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Old 03-19-2020, 10:18 AM
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So, immediately (or so) post-WWII, when the Soviets controlled Czechoslovakia? No wonder no one knows for sure. Thanks, Gerald.

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History of Zbrojovka Brno (book) states the Koucky brothers designed the Model 1 in 1944-1945 and the first production of components and assembly occurred from 1945-1946 under military jurisdiction. This matches the military proof marks and lack of any Czechoslovakian state markings, and is consistent with the history Denny shared.

With the Czech liberation from German control, state run production began in 1947-1948 for both military use (Czech and export) as well as commercial use under the name Model 1 (ZKM 451 came a bit later). These newer production Model 1 had the proof marks we are more familiar with.

Additionally, on November 15th of 1952 the Czech army transferred German Wehrmacht armaments (likely including remaining TGF parts/ rifles) over to the Czech para-military civilian organization SVAZARM. This may provide an explanation for the TGF which have the seemingly “second-run” or later serial numbers. These however would potentially also have the SVAZARM proofing added when they took possession.

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The city of Brno was liberated by the Red Army by the 26th of April 1945. No German control after that date.
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The city of Brno was liberated by the Red Army by the 26th of April 1945. No German control after that date.
History is history but "liberated" is a very generous term. The Czechs exchanged one set of brutal monsters for another. The surrendering Germans couldn't get to the western front fast enough for surrender to avoid doing so to the Russians. Many weren't successful. Read "End Game, 1945". We can be grateful that Brno survived it all.

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Old 03-19-2020, 09:03 PM
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The city of Brno was liberated by the Red Army by the 26th of April 1945. No German control after that date.
Pulled the book back out...

Original production is listed as 1945 (not 1945-1946) with the commercial production starting in 1946 to 1947 (really depends on how you want to count it).

Apologies for the confusion.
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