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Old 06-01-2020, 03:05 PM
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CZ 457 Varmint Precision Trainer vs. Custom Winchester 52



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Hello,

Ive been a long time reader but new to the forum. I have read about every topic online I can find about this. I am trying to decide between a CZ457 VPT or a customized Winchester 52 with a scope rail and lyman peeps. Both would be about 1000 for the rifles themselves. My goal is to shoot a few competitions for fun here and there, and to beat out my buddies RPR 😂 I would love a gun I can bring out to 2-300 yards and score 8/10 hits on a 10" plate (with plenty of practice, and quality ammo).

I have a total of 1600 to spend. I already have a Vortex Viper 6-24x50 for whichever I choose. With the CZ, I would run a 30 MOA Area419 Base, YoDave trigger spring, and maybe a good bedding job in the Manners Stock.

I know CZ's seem a bit hit or miss on the accuracy, but I also have the option of a lilja drop in if need be. The Winchester om the other hand appears to shoot lights out at 50 yards. But I have no idea how far it will shoot.
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Old 06-03-2020, 06:35 AM
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The 52 will walk circles around the 457. Iíve shot 1Ē groups with my 52C at 200 yards with a 36x scope, and even groups under 4Ē at 250 yards with peeps on my 52 slow lock
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Old 06-03-2020, 07:10 AM
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Take the Winchester all day long. Youíre comparing a Camaro to a Ferrari.

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Old 06-03-2020, 08:41 AM
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Take the Winchester all day long. Youíre comparing a Camaro to a Ferrari.

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A Camero built in 2020 vs a Ferrari buit in 1963.
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Old 06-03-2020, 08:55 AM
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Age doesn't matter with firearms. Quality of rifling, speed of the lock, lightness of the trigger, rigidity of the barrel and action, lockup of the bolt matters. None of that have been "improved" with modern CZs. The Winchester company did that in the early 20th century, and it still is very accurate.

For looks, quality of wood, steel buttplate, and more count on the Winchester too.

To the OP, I shoot a 1930s Winchester 52 pre A, with an 18X Unertl in silhouette matches against guys with modern Anschutz rifles and 36X scopes. I do pretty good too. Really, to be a top competitor, you need to have your shooting skills down. A good marksman with a decent antique rifle can outshoot a mediocre one using Olympics class equipment.

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Old 06-03-2020, 09:35 AM
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If the Winchester is a proven shooter, then choosing it is a no-brainer, irrespective of brand. With any new rifle, performance is a bit of a gamble. For everything to come together (barrel, chamber, crown, trigger, bedding, stock) is a gift, at least in my experience. Only ever had one CZ, out of about 12 I have owned, shoot great at 100 yards right out of the box: a 452 American. Every other rifle has been a project, one way or another -- even if the project was just ammo testing.

A proven shooter is worth its weight in gold. This is because someone else has done all the hard thinking. So whether that proven shooter was a Winchester, a Remington, or even another CZ, I'd choose it over a new rifle, unless tinkering is your thing. Sure there are downsides (hard to find replacement parts, springs, etc.). But it has to break before any of those things are an issue.
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A Camero built in 2020 vs a Ferrari buit in 1963.
Exactly! The Winchester is a hard to beat classic. The only way you are getting above that is maybe an anschutz or go the custom route with a turbo or whatnot. I love the 52ís though.
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I guess I just feel the Winchester was made to do what you are wanting in the rifle. The cz is a $600 project you want to shoot like the Winchester will. YMMV
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Assuming I could achieve the elevation to reach the longest range necessary, the Winchester would be my choice without hesitation.

Ask the same question on the CZ forum and the replies will likely favor the CZ.
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Iím sure they would. I donít care how much money you sink into it at the end of the day itís still a cz and will never be a Winchester on anschutz.

Iíve seen plenty of the czís where someone spends 2-3k to get them to shoot with the rifles mentioned above. You will never get that money in return. If you are looking to tinker and buy a project the cz isnít bad. But for that cash you could buy a voodoo or something similar.

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Old 06-03-2020, 05:53 PM
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Another vote for the Winchester 52....
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Old 06-03-2020, 10:04 PM
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52 or cz

I have two 52s a 64 year old c and a 90 year young with the right ammo they will shoot with most any Anschutz and they donít break thereís not many otherís can do that
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Old 06-09-2020, 05:20 PM
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Thanks to everyone for the replies! I think I've made the decision for a 52!

Unfortunately, I came across a good deal on a Remington 40x that I had to take up. So now the Winchester will have to wait a bit until I can replenish my gun fund 😁
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Old 06-09-2020, 06:55 PM
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A Rem 40X is certainly a nice addition to the stable of any rimfire afficionado.
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Not to worry on having snagged a 40-X. I have some that outshoot some of my 52ís and vice versa. Buy a nice 52 when one comes along when you have the coin. You will then have two quintessential American classic rifles.
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