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Old 03-09-2020, 11:38 AM
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I just bought an early (1930) model 52. S/N 16627.
It has the 17 class front globe sight and the Lyman rear aperture.
The stock is in exceptional condition, as are all the screws. The bluing is better than most of my 40s and 50’s vintage Remingtons...which doesn’t necessarily mean much. To put it another way, the bluing is also very nice. One original magazine with a pat date of 1919, I think.
Out shopping now, will get some pictures soon. I paid $720 plus tax. I like it a lot.
Much nicer looking and quite a bit “handier” than my two 52 D’s.
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Old 03-09-2020, 11:50 AM
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COD

Did you check if the receiver is cracked near the safety, also known as the Crack Of Doom
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Old 03-09-2020, 01:28 PM
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Yeah, the COD would reduce the value of the rifle to $300 with few takers.
What model Lyman receiver sight does it have? Left or right side mount? Is the original rear sight missing? Lots of factors when buying older M52's. Big Larry
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Old 03-09-2020, 01:46 PM
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Serial number 16627 was made in late 1928 according to House's book. That also makes it a slow lock model unless it was later converted to a speed lock as some were.

WRT the COD bringing the price to $300, if the finish is as nice as you say and it has a decent bore, I'd pay $300 in a heart beat. Any decent 52, with or without the COD, should be worth more than $300. Depending upon the Lyman rear sight, it alone could be worth a fair amount.
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Old 03-09-2020, 04:43 PM
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A price reduction of $300 for the dreaded "crack of doom." There were some 30K+ Winchester 52 rifles produced before the receiver was changed and the reason for the crack eliminated. I cannot reasonably see any dealer reducing their price by $300 because of the crack of doom.

Would love to see someone try and get a dealer to reduce their price by $300 because of the crack. Would be even more interesting on a special order 52 or one with the 48T rear sight.

Bill
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Old 03-09-2020, 05:30 PM
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A price reduction of $300 for the dreaded "crack of doom." There were some 30K+ Winchester 52 rifles produced before the receiver was changed and the reason for the crack eliminated. I cannot reasonably see any dealer reducing their price by $300 because of the crack of doom.

Would love to see someone try and get a dealer to reduce their price by $300 because of the crack. Would be even more interesting on a special order 52 or one with the 48T rear sight.

Bill
I have a 1932 M52 with the special order round top receiver and a right side factory mounted Lyman 48T. It is the scarcer heavy bbl. and has the COD. It was given to me as a gift. The parts on this rifle are worth more than $300, but I am not a parts collector. While I appreciated this rifle as a gift, I would not pay $300 for it. I will mount a Lyman STS on it and shoot it. Not going to shoot any of my pre 1937 M52's. One has the stainless steel bbl. and one other has the even scarcer nickel steel heavy bbl. None are cracked and I will not take any chances. If you have shot one M52, you have shot them all. Big Larry
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Old 03-09-2020, 05:42 PM
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My early M52

The receiver of my early M52 was dated in late 1927 and (I think) sold in early 1928. The serial number is 117xx, the stock is the finger groove style, it has the correct sights and has been converted to the speed lock. This is a great shooting rifle and with the early style stock, it is a bit lighter than the later ones making it easier to shoot offhand. I have had a Lyman Super Targetspot scope on it but prefer using the peep sight. No crack of doom but I shy away from using the manual safety "just in case"! The bluing is in great condition as is the nicely grained stock. A picture:
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Old 03-10-2020, 07:17 AM
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As far as the serial number vs date of manufacture, I have seen two different Winchester sites that list different dates for my S/N, 1928 and 1930.
From what I can tell, no COD. My intended use is for informal competition, woods walks, small bore silhouette out to 50 yd, and 50' indoor skirmishes. Usually single load, or five in the mag to be cleared and use of an empty chamber flag. So no plan to use the safety at all. I assume that if the safety is not used, the COD should not occur? Or will it eventually happen regardless of the use of the safety? Rear sight is the Lyman M93. It didn't have an aperture disk (Though I have several old/original disks from different brands/makes), and the front globe had a ring (.090") on post aperture insert.
I've taken several pictures, hopefully they will confirm the overall condition and no COD. One of my 52D rifles (both U.S. marked) have what appears to be the same sight bases. Which mounts fit them? Looks like $720 is a bit steep, from what I've read...
After cleaning it up a bit, I did take it out for a quick accuracy check. From a bag rest, with a rear bag too, Eley Target put three of five rounds into 3/4" at 65 yd, using the open sights. Difficult, now with my aging eyes. I had several similar groups. But I've got many different types of ammo to test yet. I've typically not been a scope guy, but I may end up one, so that may help improve the grouping too. Trigger pull is at 3# 4 oz to 3# 8 oz.
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Old 03-10-2020, 07:19 AM
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More pics...

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Old 03-10-2020, 07:23 AM
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Old 03-10-2020, 07:27 AM
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The COD only develops, if you use the safety. What happens is that instead of the safety being engaged to push the bolt backwards (toward the butt stock), the safety pushes against the side of the bolt, and puts stress on the receiver. Since the original receivers were thin there, they sometimes do crack. I have a Pre-A, but it does not have the COD.
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