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Old 02-29-2020, 08:49 PM
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Whats a Brno # 4 worth ? It looks good not mistreated .when i first saw it on the display rack ,i thought it was a Win.52C heavy barrel or something like that.
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Old 02-29-2020, 08:58 PM
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I would say 6 to 8 hundred dollars, maybe a little more. Check for front and rear sights. A set of sight inserts would be nice. Hope you get it cheap.
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Old 02-29-2020, 10:04 PM
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Well its $750.00 so right in the middle i guess . After looking at others on here i can say it is blued and not parkerized . I will have to take another look now that i have seen some others to compare .
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Old 02-29-2020, 11:42 PM
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IMHO, a nice, blued #4 is well.worth their asking price. In some areas, the BRNO name is almost unknown, and that rifle might be obtained for less. I know that figure would not come close to buying mine at this time.
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IMHO, a nice, blued #4 is well.worth their asking price. In some areas, the BRNO name is almost unknown, and that rifle might be obtained for less. I know that figure would not come close to buying mine at this time.
I agree. It is probably worth more than the asking price to the right person. Many folks donít even know what they are.

An original, blued version is worth more than a parkerized, rebuilt rifle.
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In some areas, the BRNO name is almost unknown,
99/100 firearms owners in my locale would say BRNO is spelled wrong.
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Old 03-01-2020, 07:56 AM
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Kissofdeath, you have one SWEET and rare setup there. And a backyard range. I am envious.
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KOD very nice #4

Your spotter must really trust you with where they have the chair in the pic
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Nice examples are getting tougher to find. Something to think about as to where you live, it is also getting increasing difficult and expensive for brokerages, outlets, and private parties to ship to and from that socialist state you live in. I would imagine the probability for the 4 to be a good shooter is high. After looking at a few of these era BRNOs, most have old world/school build quality, back when craftsmen took pride in there wares ala 52s 37s and Les Pauls if you know what I'm saying
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Model 4 Finish

I have drawn the ire and fire of other members here by alleging that the majority of the Svazarm marked Model 3 & 4 rifles were refurbished by Brno Aeron. I will post photos of two Model 4s below. Both have be inspected by the best refinish expert I have known. He can refinish a rifle and you will swear that it has not been touched since the factory boxed it up. I base my opinion on examining and owning many Brno 22s over the 20+ years that I have chased them. I have not seen the "Winchester Red" finish on a Brno 22 that was not re-furbished by Brno Aeron (in my contested opinion) The blond rifle below is an all original club or individual's rifle that has not been re-blued. The finish it quite smooth below the blue that is worn thin in places. The Beech wood stock was left mostly blonde by the factory. The other Model 4 has very crisp lettering, no visible dulling on the proof marks or other small markings that usually tell you it was buffed off before re-blue. It has a slight "egg shell" surface under the finish which is more of a black color than the blue of Brnos I believe to be all original. My opinion is that the red colored rifle was in very good condition with no rust or pitting so a very mild sandblast or beading was done to it to clean the surface for the blue/black finish that was applied. It does not look like a Parkerized finish at all.The red finished rifle bolt is not matching while the other rifle does have a matching numbered bolt. Both rifles have bright new looking bores in them. I own a Svazarm marked Model 3 that appears new; however, the muzzle end of the barrel was reamed for about 1 1/2 inches to a slightly larger diameter - I assume this was done to remove damage to the end of the barrel due to improper cleaning from the muzzle while still preserving the original front sight and barrel length. The purchaser of this gun was told it was "new in box". I believe it was "as new following a professional refinish of wood and metal." But what do I know.

I once owned a tgf Model 1 that has old rust pitting under the sand blasted and Parkerized finish on it.

I am not suggesting these finely finished rifles are in any way less of a treasure - just trying to get perspective on Brno history.





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Interesting thoughts on the BRNO finishes beartrax. The finish ( or refinish depending on your opinion ) is really nice on these regardless. Here is my Model 3S with Denny's import mark and Svazarm stamp for you to review. Not 'eggshell' in person














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Model 3 S

That is a nice Model 3S. Here is a picture of two Model 3 rifles. An early Model 3 Deluxe with Walnut wood and the nipple crown. It has the standard Brno blue on it. The 3S has deluxe wood (the only one I have ever seen); however, the finish on it has the subtle "eggshell" under the slightly more black finish.

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Old 03-01-2020, 10:23 AM
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Beartrax, I am trying to figure out exactly what you are saying about the Winchester red finish. Most of my model 1s and two of the model 4s have the dark grey bluish action and what I call a dark plum colored barrel(Winchester red).I always assumed that this finish was factory. Can anyone clarify this.
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Old 03-01-2020, 10:35 AM
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Red Finish

When I spoke about the "Winchester Red", I was referring to the color applied to the wood before it was sealed.
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I have drawn the ire and fire of other members here by alleging that the majority of the Svazarm marked Model 3 & 4 rifles were refurbished by Brno Aeron. I will post photos of two Model 4s below. Both have be inspected by the best refinish expert I have known. He can refinish a rifle and you will swear that it has not been touched since the factory boxed it up. I base my opinion on examining and owning many Brno 22s over the 20+ years that I have chased them. I have not seen the "Winchester Red" finish on a Brno 22 that was not re-furbished by Brno Aeron (in my contested opinion) The blond rifle below is an all original club or individual's rifle that has not been re-blued. The finish it quite smooth below the blue that is worn thin in places. The Beech wood stock was left mostly blonde by the factory. The other Model 4 has very crisp lettering, no visible dulling on the proof marks or other small markings that usually tell you it was buffed off before re-blue. It has a slight "egg shell" surface under the finish which is more of a black color than the blue of Brnos I believe to be all original. My opinion is that the red colored rifle was in very good condition with no rust or pitting so a very mild sandblast or beading was done to it to clean the surface for the blue/black finish that was applied. It does not look like a Parkerized finish at all.The red finished rifle bolt is not matching while the other rifle does have a matching numbered bolt. Both rifles have bright new looking bores in them. I own a Svazarm marked Model 3 that appears new; however, the muzzle end of the barrel was reamed for about 1 1/2 inches to a slightly larger diameter - I assume this was done to remove damage to the end of the barrel due to improper cleaning from the muzzle while still preserving the original front sight and barrel length. The purchaser of this gun was told it was "new in box". I believe it was "as new following a professional refinish of wood and metal." But what do I know.

I once owned a tgf Model 1 that has old rust pitting under the sand blasted and Parkerized finish on it.

I am not suggesting these finely finished rifles are in any way less of a treasure - just trying to get perspective on Brno history.
beartrax,
That's interesting info and insight, thanks for taking the time to post. (And those blond Model 3 stocks are beautiful!)

Based upon your conclusions, what are your thoughts on the Model 3 in the post linked below as far as wood and metal? Do you feel that both wood and metal has been refinished?
Link to the Model 3 photos:
https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forum...9&postcount=64

My Model 4
My thinking about my Model 4 finish (posted previously in various recent threads) is that it has not had the metal refinished, but at some point the wood has been refinished in some fashion. It's a lot darker than the blond factory finishes. In person, the wood looks like it was wipe-finished with some sort of manual applicator (rag?) as you can see wipe marks and it's not completely even. I like the look of it in person, but it's unusual and I seriously doubt it's a factory finish (BRNO or Aeron). Does that fit with your understanding of the guns?
EDIT: here's another picture of the Model 4 that may show the stock finish more clearly, not to be confused with the Model 3 comments above:

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