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Old 03-07-2019, 06:57 PM
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Old 03-07-2019, 07:52 PM
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Just bought Savage model 10 HB threaded in 308 & 6.5 CM 20" & 24" for $329/shipped each. Everything I read & watch say they'll shoot 1/2 MOA out of the box without even doing any magic to them. So why are CZ & other rimfires so expensive? I don't like the new Savage rimfires but I doubt you could do much better on those. I bought several Millet LRS scopes on a close out for $160 down from $500+ & have used one since they came out so should have a couple 1000 yard+ rifle for about $500 each. That's the fum when you shoot a $500 stick & beat a $5000 stick which with optics cost isn't even a high $$ rifle anymore. Looks like I may get to shoot this PM as it will be in the 30s
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Old 03-08-2019, 11:42 AM
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Hi Old Swede,

I suggest the new inexpensive deer rifles will be coveted by many grandsons. It is about memories of the grandfather and times with him more than about the rifle. None of my grandfather's firearms were top of the line but my brother and i sure cherish them anyway!
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Old 03-08-2019, 06:58 PM
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CZ Prices

In the USA I believe there were sanctions on eastern bloc imports during the cold war period so you didn't have access to Brno rifles like we did here in Australia and New Zealand. Old Brno rifles (Mod 1,2,5) going right back to the early '50s are very common here and those that were looked after are generally as good as when they were new and still bring very high prices especially the old ones.

I bought a new Brno Model 2E (which is actually one of the first CZ made rifles) for A$290 in 1993. On the second hand market in it's still excellent condition it would probably bring $700 today. I also have a nice 1958 Model 5 which is showing it's age a bit but still a tack driver that would probably bring $900 today.

Assuming the build quality is still as good the same will likely be true in the future.
I would say if you want a rifle to shoot and you may move it on in a few years then buy the Savage. If you want one to keep in the long term and possibly pass on to your children then buy a CZ. What's a couple of hundred dollars spread over a few decades?
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Because they are CZ's, that's why.
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Old 03-10-2019, 05:55 PM
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This thread got out of hand quickly

Wow! This thread got a little personal quickly. I dont usually see that on RFC. This one actually reminded me of my very first post on RFC. Someone was asking about Savage rimfire quality and everyone was chiming in both pro and con in absolutes.

Here is a link to my response which I think is apropos.

https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forum...2&postcount=33
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Old 03-10-2019, 09:51 PM
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Just bought Savage model 10 HB threaded in 308 & 6.5 CM 20" & 24" for $329/shipped each. Everything I read & watch say they'll shoot 1/2 MOA out of the box without even doing any magic to them. So why are CZ & other rimfires so expensive? I don't like the new Savage rimfires but I doubt you could do much better on those. I bought several Millet LRS scopes on a close out for $160 down from $500+ & have used one since they came out so should have a couple 1000 yard+ rifle for about $500 each. That's the fum when you shoot a $500 stick & beat a $5000 stick <img src="https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/images/smilies/eek.gif" border="0" alt="" title="EEK!" class="inlineimg" /> which with optics cost isn't even a high $$ rifle anymore.
Savage is producing some incredibly accurate rifles right now. I picked up a Savage model 11 Hog Hunter in .308 from Academy for a bit over $400. I was shocked when it produced consistent 1" groups at 200 yards with my hand loads. I was even more shocked when I took it to my local 1000 yard range and my first 4 shots produced a 4" group.
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Old 03-20-2019, 07:58 PM
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Set a CZ and a Savage down next to each other, and look at them for 30 seconds. That's why.
I still think this is the best response to the original post. They really are apples and oranges. I dislike even touching Savage, Ruger or Remington bolt-rifles. I know they shoot just fine. But that fit & finish. I can't help looking around to see who's watching. I feel like I've instantly become someone I isn't. I'm not a hunter. I'm actually kind of a poser. I get as much enjoyment out of the ownership and maintenance as I do from shooting. CZ has got that fit & finish. They've got that walnut.
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Savage is producing some incredibly accurate rifles right now. I picked up a Savage model 11 Hog Hunter in .308 from Academy for a bit over $400. I was shocked when it produced consistent 1" groups at 200 yards with my hand loads. I was even more shocked when I took it to my local 1000 yard range and my first 4 shots produced a 4" group.
Savage has produced accurate centerfires for years, at one time they even made some that were nice looking. Rimfires are at the far bottom of my list.
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Old 03-21-2019, 07:35 PM
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A friend of mine bought a cheap Savage 17HMR with an ugly composite stock. After his initial disappointing trip to the range with his new rifle, he dismantled it and thoroughly cleaned it. Took him quite awhile because he had a hard time getting a cleaning rod down thee barrel. Finally got it shooting fair groups, but with only one ammo brand.variation; the rest shot mediocre. With some additional work on the bore and trigger work he got it to shoot OK, but really dislikes the way it looks and shoots. So, he turns around and buys a new CZ 17HMR for $200 more and it looks and shoots great with zero problems. THAT is why you spend more on a CZ.
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