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Old 04-14-2020, 06:49 PM
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My Charter Arms AR-7 is 100% reliable but it has rudimentary sights that are not the most accurate. It is perfectly OK for 25 yard rabbit or squirrel shots. My choice would be my SA22 which is accurate out to 75 yards with its iron sights. I don't care if it is not stainless steel and synthetic stocked. It is plenty tough and reliable for survival duty. I don't need it to float or to fly. In a SHTF situation it will be in my hands. I have an airgun sling made to be used without sling swivels that would work fine.
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Old 04-16-2020, 07:23 PM
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I had a Charter Arms a long time ago and I don't recall any problems with it operating. I had a scope mount and 25 round mag. That being said, the barrel was a little bowed.

I recently bought the Henry but haven't had it to the range yet. When I can, I'll try a bunch of different ammo in it.
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Old 04-16-2020, 09:24 PM
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I posted this on another forum in 2018. Based on my limited testing CCI Mini Mag are my go to ammo. They work well in all my .22s and accuracy under 50m is pretty good,

So I decided that if I ever had to use my Henry US Survival Rifle in a SHTF scenario it would have to be paired with ammunition the was reliable even in adverse conditions. I had 13 different types of ammunition available and decided to test them for reliability and for reliability after being submerged in water for 24 and 72 hours.

The process was the same, 24 rounds of each type were selected to test reliability. A further 40 rounds of each type were submerged in water, 16 rounds for 24 hours, 16 rounds for 72 hours and 8 rounds which were submerged for 72 hours and then removed from the water and allowed to dry for three weeks.

The 13 types of ammunition were:
1) CCI Green Tag 40 gr LRN 1070 fps
2) CCI Mini Mag 36 gr CPHP 1260 fps
3) CCI Mini Mag 40 gr CPRN 1235 fps
4) CCI Velocitor 40 gr CPHP 1435 fps
5) CCI Stinger 32 gr CPHP 1640 fps
6) Federal Premium Target 711B 40 gr Solid 1080 fps
7) Federal Game Shok 710 40 gr CP Solid 1240 fps
8) American Eagle 38 gr CPHP 1260 fps
9) Winchester M-22 40 gr BCPRN 1255 fps
10) Winchester Wildcat 40 gr Lead 1255 fps
11) Remington Yellowjacket 33 gr TCHP 1500 fps
12) Hornady Varmint Express 40 gr LRN 1070 fps
13) Sellier & Bellot SB Standard 40 gr LRN 1066 fps

24 ROUND RELIABILITY TEST
1) CCI Green Tag - 1 FTF, 1 Misfire (fired on 2nd attempt)
2) CCI Mini Mag 36 gr - no failures
3) CCI Mini Mag 40 gr - no failures
4) CCI Velocitor - 3 FTF, two were damaged and could not be fired
5) CCI Stinger - no failures
6) Federal Premium Target 711B - 3 FTF, 12 FTE
7) Federal Game Shok 710 - 2 Misfires (1 fired on 2nd attempt, 1 fired on 3rd attempt)
8) American Eagle - 1 FTF(M), 1 Misfire (fired on 2nd attempt)
9) Winchester M-22 - 1 Misfire (fired on 2nd attempt) this ammunition left a lot of lead shavings under the mag well
10) Winchester Wildcat - 5 FTF, 4 FTE, 1 Misfire (fired on 2nd attempt)
11) Remington Yellowjacket - 1 FTF(M)
12) Hornady Varmint Express - no failures
13) Sellier & Bellot SB Standard - no failures

Federal Premium Target 711B and Winchester Wildcat were dropped from further testing due to the high number of failures.

16 ROUND 24 HOUR WATER IMMERSION TEST
1) CCI Green Tag - 1 Misfire (fired 2nd attempt)
2) CCI Mini Mag 36 gr - no failures
3) CCI Mini Mag 40 gr - no failures
4) CCI Velocitor - 2 FTE, one had such a light recoil the barrel was removed to verify there was no barrel obstruction
5) CCI Stinger - 2 Misfires which would not fire after 3 attempts. 1 round had very light recoil but the cartridge case ejected
6) Federal Game Shok - 4 FTE, 6 Misfires (1 fired on 2nd attempt, 5 did not fire after 3 attempts)
7) American Eagle - 1 FTF, 11 FTE, 1 Misfire (fired on 2nd attempt)
8) Winchester M-22 - 3 FTE, 11 Misfire (11 did not fire after 3 attempts)
9) Remington Yellowjacket - 3 Misfire (1 fired on 2nd attempt, 2 did not fire after 3 attempts)
10) Hornady Varmint Express - no failures
11) Sellier & Bellot SB Standard - 1 FTF, 3 FTE, several rounds had light recoil and the cartridges cases were extremely dirty on the outside.

Note: FTF(M) - failure to feed while manually cycling the action.

16 ROUND 72 HOUR WATER IMMERSION TEST
1) CCI Green Tag - 1 Misfire which would not fire after 3 attempts.
2) CCI Mini Mag 36 gr - no failures.
3) CCI Mini Mag 40 gr - 1 Misfire which would not fire after 3 attempts.
4) CCI Velocitor - 5 FTE, 2 Misfires which would not fire after 3 attempts. Two rounds that fired were delayed in firing (click, pffft, bang) Three of the FTEs recoiled so lightly the barrel was removed to verify there was no barrel obstruction.
5) CCI Stinger - 3 misfires which did not fire after 3 attempts.
6) Federal Game Shok - 11 misfires which did not fire after 3 attempts.
7) American Eagle - 12 misfires which did not fire after 3 attempts. One round which fired recoiled so lightly the barrel was removed to verify there was no barrel obstruction.
8) Winchester M-22 - 15 misfires which did not fire after 3 attempts
9) Remington Yellowjacket - 13 misfires which did not fire after 3 attempts
10) Hornady Varmint Express - no failures
11) Sellier & Bellot SB Standard - 2 misfires which did not fire after 3 attempts. Five rounds that fired ejected the cartridge case but the recoil was so light the barrel was removed to verify there was no barrel obstruction.
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Old 04-16-2020, 09:58 PM
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I had a Charter Arms AR7 35 or so years ago. It was dependable & reasonably accurate but I find a handgun much easier to carry so I gave it to my son. He swapped it for something else after a few years. My S&W 317 fits the survival gun niche much better for me, a handgun can be very accurate if your hands are steady. Mines fed me lots of times & ended the career of @ least 1 rattlesnake. S&W 351PD (.22 mag. version) is even better. The new Ruger MKIV would also be a good choice.
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Old 04-16-2020, 11:55 PM
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My take on the Marlin 70P;
https://www.dropbox.com/s/cnelxid14q...24958.jpg?dl=0
(please forgive the rotation, figure it would at least display better this way)
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Old 04-17-2020, 12:33 AM
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My take on the Marlin 70P;
https://www.dropbox.com/s/cnelxid14q...24958.jpg?dl=0
(please forgive the rotation, figure it would at least display better this way)
Interesting. Why the scout type optic mount instead of a receiver mount?
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Old 06-04-2020, 10:34 AM
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My Armalite AR7 has been 100% reliable in the 40+ years I've owned it.
I did briefly have a Charter Arms AR7 which was total junk.
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Old 06-04-2020, 11:07 AM
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Interesting. Why the scout type optic mount instead of a receiver mount?
Sorry for the late reply; I do kinda like scout-scope rifle setups in general, but they are almost a requisite for the best takedown builds in my opinion.

Zero risk of POI change upon reassembly, and also a somewhat shorter overall package when broken down.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/vvpxlwosw1..._9242.JPG?dl=0

Sorry that the Marlin 70P is a little OT here; but I have had outstanding accuracy results from doing the setup this way;
If I had an AR-7, I know how I'd scope it lol.

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Yep, to me survival .22lr starts with a 10/22 TD, maybe even a Charger TD suppressed if you want real small and quiet.
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I have the Henry Survival rifle and a Marlin 70 PSS. For a concealable SHTF firearm in 22LR, I would choose my Savage Striker in 22LR. It is scoped and bunny accurate to 100 yards. Being a bolt action it is more ammo versatile than an auto of any stripe. I agree that the Smith & Wesson 351PD is an exceptional sidearm, in snake areas, especially streams full of large trout!
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.. It is perfectly OK for 25 yard rabbit or squirrel shots. .
Heck I say we just go down to the local La Caretta and grab a medianoche. (for the rest of y'all google it, its a yummy sammich.

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Yep, to me survival .22lr starts with a 10/22 TD, maybe even a Charger TD suppressed if you want real small and quiet.

Yeah but if you want to actually hit something, doesn't that eliminate the 10/22 TD? (it did for me)
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I like my Survival Arms AR-7 a lot. It fits under my truck seat so it's always handy. It feeds and ejects all HV ammo reliably and keeps 1.5" groups at 25 yards (great for my old eyes).

The only problem it has is a light strike happens about 1 in 40 rounds (5 mags). I'm certain it's because the FP is forward against the rim and doesn't build any momentum before the strike.

I'm looking for an easy way to add a FP rebound spring to fix the problem. Has anyone done this before? Please share some details if you have.
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I like my Survival Arms AR-7 a lot. It fits under my truck seat so it's always handy. It feeds and ejects all HV ammo reliably and keeps 1.5" groups at 25 yards (great for my old eyes).

The only problem it has is a light strike happens about 1 in 40 rounds (5 mags). I'm certain it's because the FP is forward against the rim and doesn't build any momentum before the strike.

I'm looking for an easy way to add a FP rebound spring to fix the problem. Has anyone done this before? Please share some details if you have.
I find that when I take the first round and manually insert it in the chamber IT FIRES EVERY TIME! Now there's 100% RELIABILITY for ya by jiminy.
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