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Old 09-05-2019, 09:50 AM
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Perhaps I'm the contrarian here. Optics make no difference in the accuracy of your pistol or rifle.

Accuracy comes from high quality barrels and components and ammo, properly tuned by someone qualified to do it if it's not a factory custom. Then the shooter must have the skills to coax the best performance he/she can from the gun.

Optics cannot make the gun more accurate but will play an important role if you don't use irons or a peep sight. If you elect to attach optics, by all means, get the best your budget can afford and get a scope tailored to the shooter and purpose for which it is to be used.

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Old 09-05-2019, 11:23 AM
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Or you could say trigger, sighting equipment, rest setup, and shooter allow barrel, bullets, and bedding to perform to the best of their abilities.

At any rate, it's a package deal when it comes to getting optimum results (semantics aside) on a target or whatever. One weak link drags the rest down.
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Without The Magic it dont happen.
Having been involved in various shooting sports for decades I have watched quite a number of people try to 'buy accuracy'; ie, upgrade equipment, and shoot pretty much the same scores.
Ive also watched people with 'lessor equipment' beat them.
But I do like nice stuff too......its an affliction.....
Well said gcrank. You must have some Mojo workin!
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It's the barrel...

Assuming an experienced shooter, the barrel is by far the most important factor.

An experienced shooter can work around a rough or heavy trigger, a lightweight sporter stock, a low power scope, or a cheap rest. 2 ounce triggers, high power scopes, and purpose built stocks and fancy rests only make them easier to shoot accurately. They don't make a rifle more accurate.

You can't work around a barrel.

Here is an old link as to why the barrel rules...Tom

https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forum...27&postcount=8
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barrel and ammo

With everything a given, shooter, scope whatever you want to throw in.
a good barrel and good ammo will make the final difference.

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With everything a given, shooter, scope whatever you want to throw in.
a good barrel and good ammo will make the final difference.

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Distilled down to it's main points, I agree. Assuming a capable shooter, proper setup, good trigger and sighting equipment, it's the barrel and ammo. A good barrel can't make bad ammo shoot well, and good ammo cannot compensate for a bad barrel.
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It seem a lot of you fellows forget about bedding. Poor bedding will result in poor performance no matter how good the barrel or ammo is. I own 8 rifles, three .22s, a 308 target rifle , a .225 Winchester in a Remington Rolling block, a 7.65 Argentine Mauser and a Remington 700 in a .221 Fireball. All but the 7.65 are bedded (nothing is going to make that shoot any better). The 221 Fireball had poor bedding and never shot well until I had it re bedded.
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A great barrel with a poor chamber can be beat by a decent barrel with a great chamber. I 'spose those saying barrel are including the chamber (?) but the last step after barrel making and fitting it to an action is chambering and by whom and how it is done will make or break it.
Especially at the chamber throat.
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Everything being equal(bedding, rest,scope, shooter,etc.)

To be clear, everything being equal, the entire setup minus barrel and ammo.
it will be the barrel (complete, meaning chambered correctly) and ammo that makes the final difference.

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To be clear, everything being equal, the entire setup minus barrel and ammo.
it will be the barrel (complete, meaning chambered correctly) and ammo that makes the final difference.

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To be clear, everything being equal, the entire setup minus barrel and ammo.
it will be the barrel (complete, meaning chambered correctly) and ammo that makes the final difference.

Lee
I like the way that was worded...
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All good points, but my milk stool has 4 legs, without the magic pixie dust sprinkled over the rifle, I may as well have a shotgun.
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