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Even if you are shooting with a scope, a longer barrel of the same weight will be more stable offhand.
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In addition to zukiphile's observations, it's worth noting that the weight of longer barrels adds to the inertia of a rifle. A longer, and therefore heavier, barrel is less responsive to influences that may otherwise cause movement.
If we think of the barrel as the balancing pole used by a high wire performer, we see that an object doesn't need to be very heavy to contribute to stability; it just needs to be far enough away.

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My own observations over many years is that an iron sighted rifle can do it's best with a long sight radius. Mount an aperture sight at the end of the receiver and a like sight at the muzzle and you will get the best results possible with that type of shooting.
I think that what works when a person uses it is partly the art of understanding how people work. My iron sight rifle with a 25 inch distance between rear and front sight and an A2 barrel profile (21 inches long and skinny with the last seven inches to the muzzle heavier and about 3/4 of an inch in diameter) gives me better groups more consistently than heavier, shorter and more mechanically accurate barrels.

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Old 10-15-2021, 08:14 PM
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I've referred to the BBTI table before too, but the accurate reloading thread has some methodological advantages and test ammunition we might be more likely to use. I'd call much of the ammunition tested in the BBTI table niche products.

The accurate reloading thread is linked in PG's post a couple of pages back.

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The shooter who produced the well-known and often-referred-to ".22LR Rimfire Ammunition Comparison Test" published online on Accurateshooter.com (https://www.accurateshooter.com/guns...mparison-test/) also did a test in which he progressively shortened the barrel length to assess its impact on MV and accuracy.
See http://forums.accuratereloading.com/...3/m/4871072832

Although the test didn't produce any profound pronouncements, the shooter doing it observed after it was noted that .22LR barrel length didn't have a significant impact on velocity "Amazing is in it? With center fire each inch means something, here not so much." (post on March 5, 2018 at 11:21 [no post #])
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If we think of the barrel as the balancing pole used by a high wire performer, we see that an object doesn't need to be very heavy to contribute to stability; it just needs to be far enough away.



I think that what works when a person uses it is partly the art of understanding how people work.
Huh?
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Bullets drop like rocks
After multiple cups of coffee, a BACON/egg/cheese biscuit and a side order of more BACON,
along with some extended moments of intense cogitation, 2many....I concur, bullets are affected by gravity
exactly the same as rocks. The force produces the same results from both. A bullet is a high velocity rock.

What? I'm agreeing with 2many, not arguing.


After 2 hours this morning, with a Taurus 992, it definitely looks to me
that the shorter barrel is less accurate, but that might just be me.
I have no talent for offhand with either rifle or pistol.

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After multiple cups of coffee, a BACON/egg/cheese biscuit and a side order of more BACON,
along with some extended moments of intense cogitation, 2many....I concur, bullets are affected by gravity
exactly the same as rocks. The force produces the same results from both. A bullet is a high velocity rock.

What? I'm agreeing with 2many, not arguing.
What?

No shout out to Newton and his apple?
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No shout out to Newton and his apple?

Hereís a Newton shout out.
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Huh?
It's a comment on the difference between the way people work and things work.

Whether a short barrel or short sight distance is more mechanically accurate is a mechanical question. We can measure speeds, time in barrel and groups, barrel rigidity at any given length, and we can know that a barrel that points one degree left of the target will have that reflected in the iron sights whether the front and rear are three inches apart or three feet apart.

How most of us are able to use a rifle is a different matter. A one inch diameter barrel that is six inches long with iron sights out at the end of the barrel will be a dozens of times stiffer than a one inch diameter barrel that is 28 inches long with iron sights set at each end. The former could be more mechanically accurate than the latter, but the way people work that length between the sights and inertia with lots of leverage over our support hand will give most of us much better groups.

Knowing how we work gets us beyond physics and to what works better with a person involved.
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It's a comment on the difference between the way people work and things work.
How most of us are able to use a rifle is a different matter. A one inch diameter barrel that is six inches long with iron sights out at the end of the barrel will be a dozens of times stiffer than a one inch diameter barrel that is 28 inches long with iron sights set at each end. The former could be more mechanically accurate than the latter, but the way people work that length between the sights and inertia with lots of leverage over our support hand will give most of us much better groups.

Knowing how we work gets us beyond physics and to what works better with a person involved.
The "art of understanding how people work"..... got your meaning clearly now.
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He can beat my Best.
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Even on my favorite Range

He can beat my Best.
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I ain't seen nothing like him
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