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Old 03-31-2020, 09:22 PM
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Yep, If this stuff is the only thing on the shelves, I will grab a tin of pellets and shoot one of my HW's or FWB's.
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Old 03-31-2020, 09:29 PM
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That is some seriously cr*ppy ammo.
Advertising pic shows beat to snot bullets
and bullet material compressed over the crimp on to the brass.
For use at 20 yards or less.
Phooie!
As much as this stuff is junk if you are shooting for precision, I have around 10,000 rounds of the copper plated version to use up. It's the same 36grain hollow point and unbelievable beat up, even for bulk ammo. It cycles perfectly in my Ruger pistols and for 15 yard pistol practice it is perfect. I'll never buy another round of it but my pistol practice is a great way to use it up over time. At 100yds in a rifle expect about a 6" diameter pattern with some really wild fliers that might miss the paper entirely. It is the only ammo I have ever seen a fair number of FTF with.
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Old 03-31-2020, 09:49 PM
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That's what I do with ammo that does not shoot in my rifles, they go to the pistol range for steel plates! If it does not feed in my semi auto's, they go in a revolver.
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Old 03-31-2020, 10:18 PM
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Pistol fodder? Can't argue with that.
Probably get plenty of practice clearing ftf's.
And the poor accuracy resulting from beat up ammo
would be eclipsed by my lack of skill shooting offhand.

It's true, I just lack that ability.
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Old 03-31-2020, 10:44 PM
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Pistol fodder? Can't argue with that.
Probably get plenty of practice clearing ftf's.
And the poor accuracy resulting from beat up ammo
would be eclipsed by my lack of skill shooting offhand.

It's true, I just lack that ability.
As much as I dislike this brand of ammo for my rifles, I do like it for my pistol shooting at defense distances (like 10-15 yds). I have rarely had FTF's out of any of my pistols nor any FTE's, though once in a while, might get a FTL. No, it's not for competitive pistol shooting, but otherwise it's done well for me at those distances. And I particularly like the propensity of the HP's to penetrate and spread at the lower MV's,

I've seen some people have a horrible time with this ammo in their pistol's and when I borrowed a Sig Sauer Mosquito, this ammo simply would not work in it . . . I mean, REALLY, the Mosquito just simply wouldn't function (I suspect, largely because of the larger diameter).
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Old 03-31-2020, 10:57 PM
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I've had some that was OK except it leaded up my CZ Kadet really good. It did nothing exceptionally well but was OK for plinking and short range hunting. If I was desperate for ammo I would buy more in a pinch but golden bullets are probably about the same quality with a better bullet and worse priming. I do think it's funny that Winchester used the word Xpert to sell ammo to newbies dating back to at least the 60s. I believe I have seen 12 gauge shells also labeled Xpert. Like Dynapoint it's a trademark name gimmick. When you can get boxed Geco, Aguila, CCI or Federal for similar prices, there is no reason to suffer shooting bulk crap pack ammo.
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Old 04-01-2020, 11:41 AM
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Nick, the image is linked from the retailers website.
Water mark is visible at the bottom of the image.
Not a joke, actual advertising image.
Like I said, Google image search will show you ammo quality.
Go look for y'erself. Don't rely on my say so. Try it with any brand.
Find the pics then zoom in on the cartridges.
Better to prove it on y'er own than listen to a "know it all ammo snob", eh? <img src="https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Big Grin" class="inlineimg" />

Find them first, post them and I won't have to make any comments at all.
Not when the topic has already been covered, hmmmm?
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I was referring to the first picture not the one that you posted after..... It's obviously two different types of ammo. One of the pictures show what looks like someone cast a lead bullet at home. The second one has clean shining brass and the lead is black colored. Also I mistook your second post. I thought you were saying that by Google searching the second picture was the real one that they used and the first one wasn't. Wasn't disagreeing with you, at least not intentionally.

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Old 04-01-2020, 12:54 PM
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Whats funny is some will buy all they can even if it misses the side of a barn.
Well, that's the point. It won't miss the side of a barn and that's good enough for a lot of people. With almost any rifle you can hit a beverage can at 25-35yds every time. I shoot at 100yds and see a pattern of between 4" and 6" but with a lot of shots inside 2" too. It is surprising actually when you consider how dinged up and misformed the hollow point is on many of these rounds.

I am saddled with a couple cases of it because it was all that was available in the last sortage which was about the time of my serious forray into 22lr.

So, to use it up and still find some enjoyment, I am lucky to find that it functions perfectly and is reasonably accurate in my Ruger Target 22/45 bull barrel. Enough fun that I actually bought a Ruger Mark III Stainless 7" fluted Hunter model to help work through it. I am not very good at free hand pistol so this is working well as I work on steadying myself, breathing and trigger pull.

I hate it for the company as I had some affiliation with Olin Corporation. We used to be a large distributor of HTH and Pace swimming pool chlorine for Olin's chemical division. My dad got to fly on their Falcon jets and was invited to shoot at Nile Farms several times. Their heyday was in the '70ss and '80s. They are a meer shell of themselves these days. I am sure the Olin Brass and Winchester brands are too. I REALLY want to like their ammo. I just can't when there is so much higher quality but comparably priced options available.

It is definitely very low on the quality scale but despite it's obvious visual defects it is usable for plinking.

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Old 04-01-2020, 01:59 PM
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Xpert seems to be 555/333 without the copper wash. All of them are poor qualitY.

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Old 04-01-2020, 02:32 PM
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Hey Nick, see any images that look familiar?

Click here Nick
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Old 04-01-2020, 04:21 PM
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Xpert seems to be 555/333 without the copper wash. All of them are poor qualitY.

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They actually both say "Xpert". If you look at the 2 pictures posted both boxes are exactly the same but one shows the copper washed and one doesn't. The first picture is from Lucky Gunner. They probably just took a couple rounds out of the box and took the picture. Probably a good representation of what they really look like.
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Not sure what your getting at here...?
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Old 04-01-2020, 05:36 PM
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Just showing where I pulled the images from.
There was a comment that the first image was a fake.
I linked my search to show where I pulled them from.
No worries, nothing further to add from my side of the keyboard.
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Old 04-01-2020, 07:49 PM
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I have not bought expert in probably a dozen years when i bought all wall mart had after testing it. still have a few cartons, i have a remington 513t that loves it. i shot at 100 yrd a 5 shot group of .690 with peep sights with it. sounds like it's junk now.

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I have several 50 round cardboard boxes of Western XPERT 22lr ammo from the early to mid 1960's. It was standard velocity and 40 grain solid bullet then. Very good ammo. Have some Super X HP's from the 70's too. Same thing. Great ammo. Winchester needs to roll the clock back and remember how they did things in years or decades past. I hear nothing good about their current line up!
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