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Old 01-12-2019, 03:28 PM
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I haven't tried Steel w/ Buckmark and dot but have done a bunch of regular indoor range practice w/ mine w/ a Hacco Panaramic dot. It is either 1 or 2 MOA. I am surprised you guys like the large dots. I like the smaller dots because they allow more precision. I shoot Steel w/ a Beretta 92 and FO front sight. A few of the stages have that 9 or 10 inch round plate out at 20 yards. I am surprised you would want a 6 or 8 MOA dot for that.
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Old 01-12-2019, 08:28 PM
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What Steel challenge matches are you shooting? Nearly every stage is 12 or 10" targets at like 7 to 20yds max the majority of the time. You don't need precision in that, you need fast acquisition and fast transitions.
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Old 01-12-2019, 08:29 PM
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For any other regular shooting, give me a 2MOA dot all day.
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Old 01-12-2019, 11:08 PM
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Tacoma what grips are those?
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Old 01-12-2019, 11:24 PM
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For Steel Challenge, the bigger the better. C-More offers dots from3 to 16s minute so you can get the small dot for precision shooting and replace the with a larger one when shooting steel.

I have a 6 for sight in and target works. It's a little big for most people but I like the way it covers the bull. For Steel Challenge matches I shoot a 12 minute. I know of a few guys running 16s but that's just a little too big for me. It covers almost the entire target at 15 yards.
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Old 01-12-2019, 11:54 PM
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I haven't tried Steel w/ Buckmark and dot but have done a bunch of regular indoor range practice w/ mine w/ a Hacco Panaramic dot. It is either 1 or 2 MOA. I am surprised you guys like the large dots. I like the smaller dots because they allow more precision. I shoot Steel w/ a Beretta 92 and FO front sight. A few of the stages have that 9 or 10 inch round plate out at 20 yards. I am surprised you would want a 6 or 8 MOA dot for that.
If I did the math correctly, (I cheated and used an MOA calculator) a 6 MOA dot at 20 yards covers 1.26" and if you've sighted your pistol between 17 and 23 yards the point of impact will be within the 1.26" dot at 20 yards.

The smallest target in Steel Challenge is a 10" round plate at 18 yards, so as soon as the dot is somewhere on the plate, you can break the shot and your bullet will impact within the dot.....if you do your part and don't jerk the trigger, flinch, etc...

The longest shots in Steel Challenge are the 18x24" rectangles at 35 yards on Speed Option and Outer Limits. At 35 yards a 6 MOA dot covers 2.2 inches so with most ammo, the bullet impact will still be within the dot. Again depending on how much you moved the gun while breaking the shot.

A lot of smaller clubs don't set up Speed Option or Outer Limits because their bays aren't deep enough.


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Old 01-17-2019, 09:07 AM
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For Steel Challenge, the bigger the better. C-More offers dots from3 to 16s minute so you can get the small dot for precision shooting and replace the with a larger one when shooting steel.

I have a 6 for sight in and target works. It's a little big for most people but I like the way it covers the bull. For Steel Challenge matches I shoot a 12 minute. I know of a few guys running 16s but that's just a little too big for me. It covers almost the entire target at 15 yards.
Nice set up AZShooter. . I'm considering a C-more myself. I'll be doing my first steel challenge this spring. Just not sure which model to get. I'm thinking an 8 MOA may suit my needs. I will have to compare models.

I did notice that alot of shooters mount the C- more sideways, any idea what the benefit is of doing this?

This is what i'm currently running. Mark IV upgraded with Volquartsen Trigger and TandemKross parts, Holosun 503 Circle dot. (which works great for BE shooting) with a 65 MOA Circle/ 2 MOA center Dot, but for Steel I am thinking a bright, large plain dot without the circle will be better. Still looking to pick up a striplin customs thumb rest , and grips as well.
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Old 01-26-2019, 11:32 AM
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Smile MOA trivia (with your morning coffee)

MOA Trivia
MOA = Minute of Angle
1 MOA at 100 yards = 1
(Note, how is the 1 at 100 yards calculated?)
1. There are 7,200 in the diameter of a 100 yard circle. 36 x 100 yards x 2 = 7,200
2. There are 21,600 minutes in a circle. 360 degrees x 60 minutes in a degree = 21,600 minutes.
3. Formula for circumference of a circle = Pi 3.14159 x Diameter. 7,200 x Pi = 22,619.4 in the circumference of a 100 yard circle.
4. 1 MOA circumference at 100 yards = 22,619 divided by 21,600 minutes = 1.04719 for 1 MOA.
5. 1 MOA of 1.04719 at 100 yards is rounded to 1.
6. 1 MOA at 200 yards = 2, at 400 yards 1 MOA = 4, at 800 yards 1 MOA = 8, etc.
7. 1 MOA at 50 yards = , 1 MOA at 25 yards = .
The 1 MOA = 1 is an ARC measurement and not a straight line as it is a very small section, 1 of the overall circle circumference at 100 yards.
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Old 01-26-2019, 09:19 PM
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Next question. When determining the MOA size of the dot, what is the distance between the eye and the dot? If I have the dot mounted on a handgun, a certain dot may cover 2" at 50 yards. Call that a 4 MOA dot.

When the same dot is mounted on a rifle (much closer to the eye) it covers much more than 2" at the same 50 yard distance.
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Old 01-28-2019, 11:06 AM
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I did notice that alot of shooters mount the C- more sideways, any idea what the benefit is of doing this?
It lowers the dot, making it closer to the bore axis. That means less fudge factor (Kentucky elevation) is needed when the distance to the target changes.

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Old 03-25-2019, 09:33 AM
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I have c mores on all of my steel challenge guns - tac sol x ring rifle and Volquartsen scorpions. I am old and find that I do best with a 12 moa dot size. I have my pistols set up with the c more railway on a Striplin 90 degree mount. Seems to work well for me. My rifle is set up with the c more mounted "stock" Most of the guys I shoot steel with use the c mores - many are younger and using 8 moa dot size.
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