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Old 12-26-2020, 07:59 AM
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Who has a mini 1911 Browning?



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For several years I have been curious about the 2/3 size 1911 Browning in both the 380 acp and the 22 lr. I keep looking at them but the high cost has kept me away. Are these little guns worth the money? Do they shoot well and hold up under a lot of shooting. I imagine they wouldn't shoot as well as my Buckmarks due to their small size, but just how well do these mini 1911's shoot? Any and all input is appreciated!

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Old 12-26-2020, 08:38 AM
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I do not have one..But almost bought one in .22. I did do alot of reading and after that came to the conclusion they were not for me. I even handled one at my Buddys Gun Store..I was not overly impressed with that part even. So I bought two little Llama .22 1911s instead. One is a 1956, one in the pic is a 1960..

I got them both for the price that one Browning would have cost me. They are all real steel..No plastic, pot metal, aluminum. And are very nice little pistols..Near exact copys of the real 1911 but smaller scale. Both of mine work perfect.

I will not give anything for the newer Llama models..But if you can find an older one in good shape..They are nicer than the new Brownings. Others have said the same thing..Not just me. I think the Browning is way overpriced for what it is..Just my opinion though..Others may not.

I understand too, that some like new..But I myself prefer old..Most of the time older means better quality. And I have no doubt that is the case with my Llamas..

I will not buy a .45 Llama at all..But these little .22 versions are beautiful, well made, reliable little Pistols. They do make these in .380 also in this size. I might get one of those eventually too, as they are from what I understand very nice also. But I like .22s and have 22 ammo. Only have two boxes of .380

Here is a pic of my 1960 model Llama..It is more used than my 1956 Version. My 1956 one is mint like new yet..No way I would ever trade even one of these for a new Browning..No way.

But let us know if you get the Browning, and what you think of it..
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Old 12-26-2020, 09:38 AM
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FWIW,

An RSO at my club has the 380 version of the Browning 1911. It was very nice. It had a very good trigger.

My only issue is my hands are quite large and when I gripped the gun, I could not get the grip safety to disengage. Otherwise, I'd be looking for one in 22.
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Old 12-26-2020, 09:42 AM
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Doesn't German Sports Group (GSG) make the Browning 1911 in .22LR?
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Old 12-26-2020, 09:59 AM
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The Browning 1911-380 is a really nice pistol that feels good in your hand and looks great. It is quite accurate and is a pleasure to shoot. That said, these little pistols have some (in my case, anyway) issues that have to be “tuned” out to make it the reliable firearm you want. Some of them (both of mine) had a tendency to push rounds upward to the top of the chamber and not feed properly causing a jam. This happened often and was initially frustrating. What was happening is the round in the magazine was hitting the front of the magazine with the front edge of the brass casing and shoving the round more up than into the chamber.

Once that was resolved, it cycles perfectly. New pistols of this price point should not have these issues (my opinion). That said, I also have one Kimber Micro 9 that I just returned for an extraction issue and another that cycles perfectly. It happens.

The trigger is really nice and helps the accuracy of the pistol. I enjoy shooting it, but it is not my carry pistol.

I put a nice set of Sambar stag grips on it and it is one of my favorites.

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Old 12-26-2020, 10:27 AM
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GSG is crap..Stay away from those for sure. They are worse metal than the Brownings. Potmetal crap construction on the GSG and it will have no longevity, even it works without tuning and upgrades at all. My old Llamas are tight as the day when new, even after 60 years...Only weakness in the old Llamas is the Firing pins. But alot of 22s can have firing pin pin problems..Just the nature of them sometimes.. I made new ones for mine just in case.. But there is a fella that sells new ones for them also..I make my own stuff though.

Surely go with the Browning over the GSG if you go that route..

What I really like in the Llamas, they are a very, very close copy of the real thing. Externally and internally,and breakdown the same too.

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Old 12-26-2020, 11:35 AM
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It seems to me that there are a lot of low opinions out there on the 380, and a bit less so, on the 22s. I have a 380 and it is an excellent pistol! For the (lack of) 380 stopping power that is so often purported, the 4 1/4” barrel on my Browning is extracting as much as can be hoped for, from the cartridge. It has a good to very good trigger (by 1911 standards) at about 4 1/2 lbs and just a touch of creep. I have on more than one occasion been able to keep 16 rd (two mags) inside of 4” at 20 yd, which happens to be the max distance at the indoor/club range I use. Others there have bought the same gun after shooting mine. They all have had great results. So I have to believe that the negative reviews are not the norm. Some of the problems have been magazine related. I purchased several extra and all have been flawless. My only issue has been that because it is so small, every now and then, my support hand thumb (I’m left handed) pushes on the slide lock lever causing the lever to push out during recoil. One in 30-40 shots. Something I can live with as this pistol is such fun and is more accurate than would ever be expected.
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I had an aluminum 191122. It felt cheap; poor sights. I shot it about 4,000 times, Decent accuracy. The only stoppages seemed to be cartridge related and very few at that. Traded it for a Ruger SR_22, which felt better. I like the Ruger better, but the Browning was the better, more reliable gun. Get one with good sights.
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Old 12-26-2020, 10:49 PM
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GSG is crap..Stay away from those for sure. They are worse metal than the Brownings. Potmetal crap construction on the GSG and it will have no longevity, even it works without tuning and upgrades at all. My old Llamas are tight as the day when new, even after 60 years...Only weakness in the old Llamas is the Firing pins. But alot of 22s can have firing pin pin problems..Just the nature of them sometimes.. I made new ones for mine just in case.. But there is a fella that sells new ones for them also..I make my own stuff though.

Surely go with the Browning over the GSG if you go that route..

What I really like in the Llamas, they are a very, very close copy of the real thing. Externally and internally,and breakdown the same too.
I have a GSG 1911-22 with over 16,000 rounds fired through it. I replaced the barrel bushing and a few other parts when it first failed at just over 15,000 rounds. Maybe I got lucky.

I was under the impression GSG built guns for Browning.
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Doesn't German Sports Group (GSG) make the Browning 1911 in .22LR?
Everything I've read says it's made in Utah.
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Old 12-27-2020, 08:41 AM
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I have a GSG 1911 conversion slide. The only reason I have it is because I got in for $125 brand new a few years ago. Would I buy another GSG slide? NO WAY!

On mine, the Zamak slide is beat up pretty bad at the slide stop and the breech face is pitted from years of shooting it.

I don't know how the complete GSG 1911 22 pistols are, but I won't buy another GSG conversion slide.

I haven't even seen the Browning 1911-22 in local stores. There is a post on The High Road forum where a guy took a Browning 22 slide and put it on his 380 frame and it was a direct swap.

I have an older Llama IIIA 380 and wouldn't mind finding the 22lr version.
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Old 12-27-2020, 09:11 AM
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Some of Llama 1911 380s are not 1911s https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...K9qrBzgGIQJ3ia

New production 1911 type 380s , id go with a Sig, A kimber or a springfield.
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Old 12-27-2020, 09:42 AM
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I love the Browning 1911-22. Mine shoots most ammo well, curiously the Browning brand SV would occasionally FTF. Nice trigger from the box. Just wish I bought it with a threaded barrel.
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Old 12-27-2020, 10:00 AM
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Some of Llama 1911 380s are not 1911s https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...K9qrBzgGIQJ3ia

New production 1911 type 380s , id go with a Sig, A kimber or a springfield.
Not to derail this thread anymore than it already is.

The micro 380 and 9mm pistols from Kimber, Sig and Springfield Armory are not 1911's. They trace their lineage from the Colt Pony and Colt Mustang which in turn was based on the Star Model D

http://star-firearms.com/firearms/guns/d/index.shtml

And the first Llama 380's were miniaturized 1911's in the sense that it was lock breeched, used a barrel link and grip safety just like the full size 1911's. Llama later changed the IIIA to blow back and did away with the barrel link.

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I own a Browning 1911-22

Sub sailor: To answer your question, yes I own a Browning 1911-22 since they first came out. It is a fine pistol, never had a problem with it, it shoots any 22 LR ammo I put through it with no problems. It’s all metal construction (except for spring guide rod) I feel is responsible for its smooth and flawless performance. I have put through several thousand (4000-5000) rounds with no problems. I also clean it after every visit to the range.

I have fairly small hands so the size is what appeals to me; it fits me perfectly! My adult grandson has normal size hands and also loves to shoot it.

As for if it is worth the price, to me “Yes”. It runs flawlessly, shoots any brand, and has never needed repairs. Keep in mind my opinion is free, and worth every penny.

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