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Old 11-04-2017, 09:29 PM
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455 Trainer barrel vs Lux barrel on CZ store site



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Hello all, so I have a question....i thought the Trainer and Lux would have the same barrel but on the CZ store site there are two separate barrels and part numbers. The trainer is also $30 more than the lux. Is the trainer barrel longer (24" maybe)? It lists the Lux barrel as being 20.5"...thought it would be longer.

http://shop.cz-usa.com/ProductDetail...rrel-Set-17hmr

http://shop.cz-usa.com/ProductDetail...rrel-Set-17hmr

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Old 11-04-2017, 09:56 PM
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sir the older 452 Trainer and 452 Lux both had the same barrel length then the new 455 Lux has the 20.5" barrel on it and the 455 Trainer still has the 24.8" barrel so that is why the price difference.



in the back is the 455 Trainer and the last rifle in the back is my 452 Lux...I posted this picture so you could see the barrel lengths.


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Old 11-04-2017, 10:05 PM
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perfect thank you. love those guns in the pic especially the top one...you couldn't have gotten the scope to rear sight clearance any tighter if you wanted to! i'll probably go with the longer barrel with open sights for a longer sight radius, 20.5" is plenty longer enough for those that use scopes. these gun are so fun to shoot with open sights and long barrels...they make even plinkers like me look like a pro
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perfect thank you. love those guns in the pic especially the top one...you couldn't have gotten the scope to rear sight clearance any tighter if you wanted to! i'll probably go with the longer barrel with open sights for a longer sight radius, 20.5" is plenty longer enough for those that use scopes. these gun are so fun to shoot with open sights and long barrels...they make even plinkers like me look like a pro
theriddler1977 sir there is some room to it...about 1/8" for me its almost perfect.

here is a close up



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Old 11-07-2017, 12:02 PM
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Hello all, so I have a question....i thought the Trainer and Lux would have the same barrel but on the CZ store site there are two separate barrels and part numbers. The trainer is also $30 more than the lux. Is the trainer barrel longer (24" maybe)? It lists the Lux barrel as being 20.5"...thought it would be longer.

http://shop.cz-usa.com/ProductDetail...rrel-Set-17hmr

http://shop.cz-usa.com/ProductDetail...rrel-Set-17hmr

Thanks for any help
You may be thinking of the Ultra Lux - barrel is 28.625.
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Trainer has better rear sight

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i'll probably go with the longer barrel with open sights for a longer sight radius, 20.5" is plenty longer enough for those that use scopes. these gun are so fun to shoot with open sights and long barrels...they make even plinkers like me look like a pro
I suggest that the superior rear sight on the Training Rifle (24.8" barrel) is easily worth the $30 extra. The Lux / Full Stock offer a simple notch blade rear sight adjustable for elevation using a screwdriver, while the Trainer / UltraLux provide a tangent rear sight (visible in Signalman's eye-pleasing post #4 above) easily adjustable using a push-button release and detents at 25~50~75~100~125~150~175~200 yards (or meters).

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perfect thank you. love those guns in the pic especially the top one...you couldn't have gotten the scope to rear sight clearance any tighter if you wanted to! i'll probably go with the longer barrel with open sights for a longer sight radius, 20.5" is plenty longer enough for those that use scopes. these gun are so fun to shoot with open sights and long barrels...they make even plinkers like me look like a pro
This is the 3-9x32mm AO scope on my 455 Trainer. I wanted a setup that didn't require removing the rear sight. Even clears, admittedly just barely, with the lens caps in place.


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Old 11-12-2017, 02:09 AM
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I suggest that the superior rear sight on the Training Rifle (24.8" barrel) is easily worth the $30 extra. The Lux / Full Stock offer a simple notch blade rear sight adjustable for elevation using a screwdriver, while the Trainer / UltraLux provide a tangent rear sight (visible in Signalman's eye-pleasing post #4 above) easily adjustable using a push-button release and detents at 25~50~75~100~125~150~175~200 yards (or meters).
Thanks for all your replies folks, I was unaware of the pushbutton rear sight on the trainer...now i must have one! I'm already the proud of 3 CZ 452's: 452 Lux, 452 American hmr, and a Grand Finale. I purchased a 455 Ultra lux once but traded it in a few days later on the Grand Finale. I really had my eye on a SS 455 17hmr but i may have to get the 452 Trainer now...there's a nice one on GB right now:
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/716585673
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Old 11-12-2017, 11:02 AM
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Just say "nope" to a scope

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Thanks for all your replies folks, I was unaware of the pushbutton rear sight on the trainer...now i must have one! Thanks again guys
Please be aware that the UltraLux shares the same very excellent tangent rear sight. There is a useful Sticky above about the setup and use of this sighting system.
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Old 11-12-2017, 10:31 PM
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Thanks, i'll look for the sticky. I try to stay up on all the options and changes of CZ rimfires but sometimes I get lost. Figuring out CZ rifles is nothing like trying to figure out Savage rifles though geez...their website is a mess.
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Thanks, i'll look for the sticky.
It happens that I had my UltraLux out today to test two 50-round boxes (different lots) of RWS Target Rifle, and learned more stuff about the rear tangent sight- I learned that these lots of RWS are so slow through that 28.66" barrel that I had to set the sight at 125 just to hit my bullseye at 100. The box claims 1,080 fps...

How slow, you might ask? One lot averaged 963.0 fps, and the other managed 969.7. Extreme spreads were 92 and 120 fps, and SD's were 20.71 and 20.07.

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It happens that I had my UltraLux out today to test two 50-round boxes (different lots) of RWS Target Rifle, and learned more stuff about the rear tangent sight- I learned that these lots of RWS are so slow through that 28.66" barrel that I had to set the sight at 125 just to hit my bullseye at 100. The box claims 1,080 fps...

How slow, you might ask? One lot averaged 963.0 fps, and the other managed 969.7. Extreme spreads were 92 and 120 fps, and SD's were 20.71 and 20.07.
I had a similar experience today. Squirrels are out in force right now around my property so i wanted to get my 10/22 sighted in to have it ready. I shot Federal Gold Medal Target , probably 200 rds total, and my shots were all over the place. I could hear an audible difference from shot to shot. I moved to CCI standard velocity and same thing but a little better. I then got my freshest batch of CCI standard velocity and my groups improved but i'm still not satisfied. I settled for a 1.5" group with occasional flyers.

Guess i'll break out the 452 lux and see how it shoots the ammo types...it usually shoots whatever it throw in it. Only thing is i'd have to squirrel hunt with open sights since it's not a scoped gun. Very frustrating to have 5000 rds of ammo of different types and not having any confidence in it to be accurate.
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