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Replica SV-99 ... Project In-Progress by us_dragunov



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The following quote from the thread:
The beginning of MY project....
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More to come...
Has brought up an interesting question:
Are you interested in an SV-99 replica rifle?
If you wish to respond to the question,
please post your comments at the The beginning of MY project.... thread.

NOTE: The referenced thread has an encrypted title,
as a result, I'm afraid may not attract attention.
Thus, may not receive in-put from interested enthusiast.
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Old 02-27-2009, 09:20 PM
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SV-99 Broken-Down


Винтовка СВ-99 получила новое ложа - Page 2


Translated with some photos:
Rifle ST-99 acquired a new bed. (Page 2)


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Это не "зелёная мелкашка"!.. - это СВ-99
Модель прицела ПО3,5х17,5П. Изготовитель Минский завод им.Вавило
Translation:
This is not a "green melkashka! .. - This is ST-99
Model PA3 sight, 5h17, 5P. Manufacturer Minsk plant im.Vavilo
I've tried to find some information on the telescopic sight.
But, I've haven't been able to find anything definitive.


Note the conical threads on the muzzle end of the barrel for mounting the suppressor.
Specifically, how over-sized the suppressor mount is.






The threaded end of the suppressor is so disproportionately large, it will be virtually impossible to confuse the discharge end
from the mounting end - even under the extreme stress of combat.

Moreover, removing the suppressor should expose the internals for quick inspection and access for maintenance.

This suppressor system seems to be extremely well thought-out.

Reference:
SV-99 Updated ... aka: СВ99 я
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Newer Telescopic Sight Model ... Link???

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I will say that the particular optic shown in these photos is a discontinued model but there are a couple of newer versions out now....
Any link(s) to the manufacturer website of the newer telescopic sight?
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Izhmash Link

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... I think Izhmash bought a ton of these scopes and have them in storage for issue with the SV-99....
Izhmash OJSC>Sniper rifles>SV-99

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The SV-99 sniper rifle chambered for 5.6 mm. rim-fire round is designed for special operations
and sniper training at a distance up to 100 m.

Maximum grouping at 50 m., "Biathlon" round, 3 series of 5 shots, mm no more than 16
(16mm = .629 inches)

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Heard good news today!


Well, you might want to let us know what you have heard since I just got a reply from the ATF.

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The SV-99 firearm is not on the list, so the parts cannot be imported
either.

I contacted them to see if the laws changed since this has a potential bad ending if it didn't.

I also contacted the The U.S. Department of Commerce's Trade Compliance Center. I havn't heard back from them yet but I imagine the answer will be the same.

Sooo... I'm calling BULLS**T!

If you are getting true Russian SV-99 stocks imported with Fed approval then either you're not in the United States or you talked to someone in a different government.

If this is the case then I'm wondering if the bipods are able to be imported since they are parts of several banned firearms. If that's the case you might want to get rid of it because one part is the same as a whole rifle if it's banned.

The ONLY way that they can be imported is if they are for military or Law Enforcement use only. Civilians are out of luck...have been and probably always will be.

So....give us some insight in who approved the importing of the stocks so I can contact them and find out what is going on. I for one don't want to be in front of a Federal judge explaining why I had illegal firearm parts in my possession.

That's why I asked if the laws changed to begin with.

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Military Issue vs Civilian Replica

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Sooo... I'm calling BALDERDASH
(I love that word) - DAVID STEINBERG
Whoa Scott!! ... Whoa!!!
You've been very busy.

Have you seen the sniper scopes sold by Kalinka Optics Warehouse®.

None of them would be legal to import into the USA
if the model had been used by the Russian Army.
Most of the scopes listed could have been RU Army sights.
The differentiating element ... the scopes are not firearms.

Under the same criteria, if a rifle sling, bipod, cleaning kit, et cetera
had been issued to the RU Army we couldn't import it.
The considered factor ... rifle slings, bipods, cleaning kits are not firearms.

There maybe some reasonable explanation.
For example the item in question is a civilian version.
The pseudo SV-99 is based upon a RU market BI-7-3.
The operative word ... the stock is a RU domestic replica.

Let's wait and see.

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Heard good news today!
By the way, I'd like to hear the good news too.
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Old 03-13-2009, 03:56 PM
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There maybe some resonable explaination.
For example the item is question is a civilian version.

Or, the pseudo SV-99 is based upon a RU market BI-7-3.
The stock is a RU domestic replica.
I'm really doubting it. I think that the ATF would know what is going on even though many people don't give them the credit they deserve.

So, until we get the contact information on who has approved the stocks I'm saying BS.

I'd get two in a heart beat but when it comes to that fine line between legal and illegal I'm checking every lead possible that can answer the questions.

I think that you will agree that it would put a damper on everyone's day when the Feds bust you for illegal parts and then you try to explain that you were told they were legal.

Nope, not going to buy into this until more info is proven that they are legal.

I have a few more contacts that should know the deal and answer a few more questions.


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Concerns

Scott,

I share your concerns.
And, as I know you have more direct knowledge about importing from Russia.
You have even more concerns.

But, it is very possible that us_dragunov has done his homework and has
or will have the necessary documentation in-order.

Especially considering he has made his intentions public.
As such, us_dragunov has put himself on notice to follow the letter of the law.

And, you and I have both have tried to pointed-out the legal pitfalls.
... but the true SV-99 stock is illegal in the US ....
Why an SV-99 stock can't be legally imported
I can only presume us_dragunov is in compliance with the law.
At this moment, I have no reason to believe otherwise.

That being said, Caveat Emptor comes to mind.
As for me, I going to taking a wait-and-see attitude.
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You are right Scott it was complete BS.
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Gents

take 5 for a second

having been through this in person in Russia with the folks let me exxplain the arms business a bit

firstly

if you dont pay for a batch or minimum purchase ammount Russia generally wont deal and thats a up front payment, normally 25% paid in cash or other payment methods with the rest is escrow pending manufacture ( maybe 40% paid at this time) and the balance once entered into the shipping register.

ok now for example if a Russian company designs a militray style rifle ( read as almost 100% replica ) and announced a new model for sportsmen then they are happy to ship these as they are not a specified weapon on any list

however if later this makes the list is is also banned but a bacth has generally made its destination by this stage so its too late

and the folks who do have these cant get more..

so saying these are not as described is technically correct

they are close copies sometimes from the same makers as the "ridgy didge" version( guenuine in aussy slang)

but everything is generally the same except some minor differences maybe finish maye something left off maybe something added

however it was done its to get around the laws at the time

then we get to the agencies

they often are caught with stock thats banned, so they do changes too

IZH cant ship direct despite what they say, they go through agents, generally a firm thats paid the state to have this right, and generally with connections to the Duma ( Russian Parliment)

these folks have a myriad of small gun makers modders working piece rates to help them get items to the USA and other places

some they sell as AirSoft accessories that dont get the attraction a weapon part gets, i have seen this often with side monted optics mounts

now i've sat and drank with some of these people and had them explain it to me and my resulting understanding of how it all works was even more confused but understanding that a stranger like me had to have better connections than i have to get anywhere,

so if someone has got the items through its generally because the description was for another item and its a "coincidence" that is "very similar" to a banned item.

thats a issue with the agency ( whom ever that may be ) the receiving agent and the distributor and the BATFE, and sometimes your dept of state.

why state dept?? its because the reg's for imports are guided by these guys
and if something has Russian government saying its not the same then its a political issue as the Russian may get upset ( some guy who paid is screaming his sales have been cut off) and they'll argue the point

its a very confusing situation

add to that bribery , drunken deal making and the capitalist nature of folks and yes some stuff gets through, some dont, and until they have blanket restrctions like they have with designer drugs ( thats another issue that took years to sort and is still being got around by some smarty pants dope bosses)

i dont think it will be cut and dryed anywhere soon

so please dont get all angry and upset with each other

find out who got what and where and grab it while you can!!!!
as they probably cant get more in the future

but calling names over this when no-one really can say for sure how its being done is not wise and even sillier if they bring it in as one thing then adevertise it as the same

that just draws the cops

they have a replica or similar to... item then ok as that how they get it in as i understand it and should ( if smart) promotoe it as such


hope this helps

stay cool folks

lifes too short.. enjoy eh

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Jack,

I thank you for the input and it's noted.

I'm not trying to be an @ss since this can go bad...really bad and really fast if the the ATF decides to throw some power around. With the anti-firearm atmosphere that is growing in the US Government it won't take much to turn ugly and to prove a point by going after something as stupid as a rifle stock.

For some reason our Government likes to throw their power around with the little things and prove that they are still in charge.

I just want to make sure this is 100% legal in every way, shape, form and angle.

I get proof of the approved Form 6 then all will be good to go.

Scott
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Scott

no worries


but its the most confusing issue i've ever seen,

the arms industry is dying in Russia

plants closing but the side of that is there are a number of "collectives" or groups of former employees doing work for agencies

now i know one mob that did Tabaums called them something else made a new sear and some other bit and where sold by Norinco..

then norico called em tabaums again and so that stopped but someone else brought them in as demilled kits.. its nuts

its Russia and whatever they can do to sell stuff they do

we can not get AK's here ( oz) in any way shape or form

but they sell airsoft spares for AK's here openly

whats the difference??

hole placement

the optical mounts holes are drilled for the airsoft replica's but if you redrill the scope mounts they fit a AK or Droganov

thats a sniper weapon accessory technically but as the holes dont fit a AK when they are reshipped from OZ to the US , NO THEY ARE NOT AK OR SNIPER WEAPON BASED!! and thats your governments say so

why? because of two 5mm holes?? its enough apparently

it happens all the time

its crazy i know but thats life and thats Russia.

if your building a replica whatever thats ok is my understanding

( depending on local laws like Cali etc)

using parts that are imported for a airsoft or a prototype sporter rifle is not illegal unless you lie but these guys do enough changes ( like two holes) and get away with it? so who's to argue with your government

yes SV-99 bits and bobs are banned but is a sporter was called a SVA-89 and marketed it would not be illegal as its a sporter unless marketed as a SV-99

1 thats stating you cheated the system
2 silly
3 or misrepresentation ( imho)

but "similar to" or "fits on" or "aftermarket accessories" explain what it is what it can fit besides the nasty critter thats banned and is legal

i guess if your smart dedicated and have a heap of connections you can drive a truck through some laws

but your laws are like ours here in oz, they suck

the ones in Russia , dont even get me started its too complex for a saterday arvo and i'm gonna be having a few beers soon so .. pass

so worry not

worry more on the gobmint folks changing the regs even more against you and those of our hobby and past time

my understanding is if you buy something for a legal weapon and it also fits a illegal weapon you the consumer was misled and not breaking a law if it comes to a court issue

if this changes, worry much, until then buy what you can ! and enjoy

cheers

jack

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Sv-99

Please quit dangling the SV-99 in front of me then pulling it back.

I would love to own one of these!!!!!!!!!

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Russian Firearms Industry

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... let me exxplain the arms business a bit...
Jack404,
You've been very measured with your responses - until now.
Seems you've had some extensive dealings with Russian firearms agents.

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... but its the most confusing issue i've ever seen,
the arms industry is dying in Russia....
Odd it seems, that the Russian civilian arms industry is not very eager to accommodate the U.S. market.
Thanks, it is good to have your insight.
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It's not unheard of for an individual to get a few items by customs that aren't really supposed to be imported. Chinese military optics shipped from Hong Kong as "telescopes" is one scenario I think I've heard before. It's not legal, but it's been done before.

Or, it could just be a replica stock for an importable rifle. I don't think it's time to call "BS" just yet...
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