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Old 09-03-2020, 08:48 PM
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17 hm2 is better squirrel round over 22 lr rimfire



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All things considered better round overall. If you have a rifle that shoot some cartridge well.
If we take 2 rifles (a 17hm2 and 22 lr) that possess equal grouping potential at 50 yards. The hm2 better. For 4 reasons for sure. Hm2 bullet spends less time in barrel, hence while using in the field shooter error (some) will be masked by the faster round. Second. Smaller diameter round means it has less potential of contacting limbs, leaves, etc on it’s flight to quarry. Third. Moving target soon like squirrels odds are better of getting with hm2 over 22 lr. Speed help speed with moving target. Shooter more apt to shoot behind or gut shoot with 22 lr vs hm2.
Forth reason. Trajectory of hm2 ranks superior by far to 22 lr. I can use my hm2 with leaves on and leave scope set and use when leaves are off and still bust squirrels to 75 yards with no hold over. 22 lr stinks here, will drop big time and at longer distances like this just a yard of miscalculation could be a miss with 22lr, not so much with hm2.
I love this round. Works super on squirrels when leaves are on.

Ordered another 2,000 rounds. To go with my 3500 rounds already on hand. Will go through a lot of rounds between now and 28 Feb 2021 shooting squirrels.

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Old 09-04-2020, 09:45 AM
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The 17Mach 2 is certainly superior to the 22LR when it comes to killing power and range. I have fewer crawl offs with the M2. But, I generally do better with a 22LR when the leaves are as thick as they are this year. If I shoot thru a few leaves with a 40gr round nose 22 bullet, it is much less likely to change the path of the bullet. The Hornady V-Max M2 bullet will disintegrate quickly if it touches anything. Conditions always dictate which gun/cartridge works best on any given day. I also throw in a 17HMR for consideration, which I use on late fall/early winter long shots. The direction I have taken is toward higher quality 22LR ammo and have settled on SK Standard Plus. I have four excellent 22s, two 17HMRs, and one 17Mach2. With that many choices the suirrels are in trouble.
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As far as distance, yes the 17m2 is better. But you have to ask yourself..how much power do you need to dispatch a squirrel? I think practice makes perfect, and if you focus on shot placement more than horse power results will be different. Trust me, crawl-offs are a common thing in the squirrel woods, but it can be fixed. I tend to use the 17m2 late in the season when the leaves are on the ground, but both will get the job done.
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Old 09-04-2020, 01:53 PM
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Nicks to the head with 17hm2 has better chance of killing squirrel (or finding after shot) vs 22 lr. Been using 22 lr hollow point since long time. Hm2 superior on grey squirels (odd size wise) for less than perfect shots. Hunting in the wild many shots will be less than perfect. Even shots made by expert. Lots of variables when hunting in the wild. Also 22 lr trajectory not a single good. What I am talking about is if you set up a 22 lr at 40 yard sale dead on. You shoot up steep angle you’ll shoot high. With 17 hm2 less compensation needed all around even st closer distances.
I had my reservations as far as using hm2 with leaves on I already know hm2 ranks superior when leaves are off Vs 22 lr. It also now based on my experiences with leaves on ranks it ranks superior to 22 lr.
The noise is louder with hm2 but the noise evidently doesn’t sound like a predator to squirrels. They stay gentle when my hm2 goes off.
Just one noise with nm2. With 22 Lr subs there are 2 noises made. Rappor and violet hitting squirrel head. Seems to make squirels fidgety after 2 or 3 shots.
Have made 5 plus kills out of same tree with hm2 just in last 12 days. Positive trend.

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As long as the wind don't blow.
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Old 09-04-2020, 02:22 PM
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Hm2 every bit as good in wind as 22 lr.
Wind affects all cartridges.
And a hunter must compensate accordingly.
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Old 09-04-2020, 03:45 PM
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As far as distance, yes the 17m2 is better. But you have to ask yourself..how much power do you need to dispatch a squirrel? I think practice makes perfect, and if you focus on shot placement more than horse power results will be different. Trust me, crawl-offs are a common thing in the squirrel woods, but it can be fixed. I tend to use the 17m2 late in the season when the leaves are on the ground, but both will get the job done.
I am with you here...late season and tall timber and hunting ridges I take the HM2 and shooting sticks..flat woods and short timber I grab a .22 and the sticks...I have a Varmint and American in HM2...I grab the Varmint when i am setting watching a hickory flat....if i am cruising i grab the American...its all good.
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Old 09-04-2020, 09:33 PM
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I have several rifles chambered in 17HM2 that I use for hunting tree squirrels and switch between them depending on the topography and the weather. I used to hunt tree squirrels with a variety of .22 rifles, but since getting acquainted with the 17HM2 I have used it almost exclusively.

I think that the 17HM2 is the best tree squirrel cartridge yet to be designed and that its usefulness is only limited only by these three variables; the quality of the rifle, the ammunition, and skill of the shooter.
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I have a Sako Quad with both barrels. Each has been chopped to 18” and threaded. I shoot them both suppressed.

I prefer the .22 barrel for squirrels. At 50 yds, about the same accuracy wise when I am shooting Eley SVHP or similar. The .17m2 is much louder than subsonic.22 due to the sonic crack. The additional range of the m2 isn’t a factor as I can almost always get within 50 yards. Hunting suppressed with the .22 barrel, I can often get 2-3 squirrels out of the same tree. Doesn’t spook them at all, even in heavily hunted areas.

If I were hunting unsuppressed and comparing against .22 HV ammo, it would be no contest in favor of the .17m2.
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I use the the 17hm2, 22 lr & shorts here in Southeast Missouri to take around 100 every year. I enjoy using them all at different times and really don't give much thought as to "best". Most times it's not hard to get really close and I like using pistols as well. My 22 rifles are old school and my hm2 is a cz 452 American so it stands out in accuracy in my world. But still grab my old 511x often. Kind of apples and oranges to me.
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Shot at a squirrel almost over my head pretty close. He moved at the last moment clean miss. He crossed into adjacent tree. 4 minutes later he came back into the tree he was eating acorns in. I had already shot 3 times before he came back into tree. 2 other squirrel were shot with these shots. Squirrels here not near as leery of hm2 blast vs 22 lr.
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Guess the squirrels in Georgia have better hearing
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That 17 Mach 2 will lay a hurting on those squirrels.
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Guess the squirrels in Georgia have better hearing
Well, my 22 lr Annie stays in the closet now. Hm2 all the way on squirrels. Done bagged 204 in first 24 days of season. Love my hm2. Best thing since sliced bread on squirrels.

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