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Old 06-20-2020, 05:09 PM
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If you can shoot a "substantially smaller" sage rat @350 yards with a 17 HMR then headshots on a groundhog @200-250 yards should be a breeze.
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Old 06-21-2020, 09:35 PM
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I'm a fan of the 17wsm. Tipped over 4 sage rats at 260yards and 3 at 240yards last week. Tricked out SS HB BMag, It's more than capable. You would do good by upgrade to the Ruger with the threaded barrel on your 1st purchase. I use a SWR Spectre2 22lr can on mine. Hushes it up just fine. Good luck and keep tippin over.I've tipped over 500 so far this season.
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Old 06-25-2020, 05:52 PM
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Might be a stretch...

I killed several rock chucks in Oregon last year with my A17. One shot for each with no crawl offs at 150-200 yards. Beyond that I'd say it's a bit light for ethical kills.

With regard to the suppressor, it might depend on which one you have but mine works beautifully on my 17HMR! In fact that's it's primary residence. I have put several thousand rounds through it without any issues. I just have to clean it after 1-2 bricks of ammo ran through it.
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Old 06-25-2020, 09:05 PM
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Keep it Simple

If 225 to 250 yards is the likely range, it is time to leave the rim fires at home. And to keep it simple and inexpensive, settle on .223 Remington. Free empty cases litter every club shooting range these days. There is an endless variation of bullet types and weights available, but all you need are standard military style solid pointers of about 55 to 60 grains. I swage my own 60 grain open point bullets, using empty .22 LR cases for jackets. The thin annealed jackets make very destructive bullets up to 3000 fps. I have actually gone higher, without jackets coming apart after leaving the muzzle...even close to 4000 fps. And stay with non-exotic powders available everywhere. I use 4198 and 4895. Getting fancier just spends more money and makes everything more difficult.

To the fellow posting about .222 Remington, I agree. It has a very slight accuracy advantage, mostly theoretical. But .223 is much easier to deal with and acquire equipment.

I have a number of .223 rifles, but my Ruger Number 1 heavy barrel varmint rifle is a good one. I recall the first time I shot a chuck at about 100 yards. Through the scope, it looked like he dropped down into his hole when hit. But when I walked the soybean field to see what happened, he had not been in a hole, just chewing soy beans in the row. That fast exploding bullet (thin jacket), hitting in mid-section, created an upper and lower half of Mr. Chuck. Imagine his surprise.
The top half simply dropped down a bit, to meet the bottom half, still connected by a slim strand of internal organ. Call him "Shorty".

The .223, in a good rifle, is accurate in the extreme. And if you hit a woodchuck, the issue is not in doubt. I learned that with one shot.
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Old 06-25-2020, 09:19 PM
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Shot prairie dogs at 300 with a 204, it's flat and fast. The 223 would be good too.
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Old 06-25-2020, 09:20 PM
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Obviously not saying there is anything wrong whatsoever with reloading. But is it really worth it to handload a .223 (if your not doing it for better accuracy) given the relatively low price of bulk .223 ammo? I don't reload so I'm unaware of the cost and the time involved to reload a .223 round.
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Old 06-26-2020, 09:31 AM
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Ground Hogs at 200+ yards

At that distance, a 22 anything is out of it's league.
A 17WSM is my go-to gun for that kind of thing. Relative inexpensive ammo, and a flat trajectory out to 200 yards, and then some.

The ultimate is the 17 Rem Center-fire. at 4400 fps, it's a no brainier If it hits anything other than what you are shooting at, it turns to power and all you see if a puff.
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Old 06-26-2020, 04:17 PM
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Or get closer. Set-up day before - get in your blind before sun-up - kill stuff. I use this setup for squirrels in the Pecan trees, where I can't get close. Mostly with the CZ .17 HM2, but this day with the Browning 22. Or buy another rifle. Nothing wrong with that. A CZ .17 Hornet makes a fine varmint rifle, without the loud boom of a .223.







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5mm Magnum?

Just a thought: nobody has yet mentioned the 5mm Remington Rimfire Magnum. That was gone, or at least costing $2 per shot, for decades, but it's back, and there are still a fair number of the nice little Remington 591 and 592 rifles out there. The ammunition Aguila was putting out under the Centurion label had a 30gr. bullet and supposedly had 127 ft/lbs of energy at 200 yards. Bigger cross-section than the .17s, so it might do a better job of anchoring a groundhog. Aguila is selling the ammunition with a JHP 30gr. under their own name now. Their published data shows a muzzle velocity of 2300fps, down from the 2450 of the Centurion. Haven't shot one in years, but accuracy was considered phenomenal back when it was introduced 1969, and it's still faster than the 22WMR or 17HMR. Street price is a shade under fifty cents per round, so more than double 17HMR or 22WMR prices.
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Old 06-27-2020, 01:01 PM
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As the OP stated, he doesn't want to go to centerfire, and if he's like many of us, he has no interest in reloading. As I read thru this thread I kept wanting to yell "get closer, and use camo." member mmpsteve has saved me from using all caps and annoying the rest of you. When ground hog hunting, I use a set up much as mmpsteve does. I've planted a few such things, and getting out before sunrise is a tremendous help. I make sure to remove them before the farmer cuts his alfalfa or plows his field. A friend of mine uses a shovel to dig a hole to sit in, minimizing his profile. Good luck.
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Old 06-27-2020, 07:52 PM
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Lots of people deal with prairie dogs using rimfire's out to 250 yards without a problem. I personally know of a couple people that bag a lot of them using 17HMR and 22WMR rifles without any issues. I don't know if I would try and push it past 250 yards but I think out to there they'll drop like stones.
X2, I donít shoot prairie dogs past 250 in dead calm conditions. Based on the weaker pop of a PD at that distance, it may not drop the groundhog. A 17 Hornet would be great for that and be quieter than the 223Rem.
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Old 06-28-2020, 10:04 AM
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As the OP stated, he doesn't want to go to centerfire, and if he's like many of us, he has no interest in reloading. As I read thru this thread I kept wanting to yell "get closer, and use camo." member mmpsteve has saved me from using all caps and annoying the rest of you. When ground hog hunting, I use a set up much as mmpsteve does. I've planted a few such things, and getting out before sunrise is a tremendous help. I make sure to remove them before the farmer cuts his alfalfa or plows his field. A friend of mine uses a shovel to dig a hole to sit in, minimizing his profile. Good luck.


50 yards away in a blind with a suppressed .22LR and match-grade subsonic ammunition. Put some Center-X in the center of their little groundhog head.
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Old 06-28-2020, 11:41 PM
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I would take te .2 Mag over any .17 rimfire, any day, all day.

I have hit pests out to those distances with a .2 Mag, and I have seen the .17 Mag bullets deflected at closer than those distances.
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Old 06-29-2020, 07:46 AM
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When I was a kid, the neighbor gave me a quarter for every dead ground hog. The trick is to find the hole with all the flies buzzing around it, then walk up and the thing would usually looking at you from in the hole. I used marbles or taconite pellets with my wrist rocket. Crushes their skull when you are only 3 feet away.
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Old 06-30-2020, 10:22 AM
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I would take te .2 Mag over any .17 rimfire, any day, all day.

I have hit pests out to those distances with a .2 Mag, and I have seen the .17 Mag bullets deflected at closer than those distances.
I'd ake my 17wsm 24/7 over any over rimfire at any distance. Main reason for a miss with it is shooting too high or over compensating for wind. It just out shoots them all.
That is just my real world experience opinion.
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