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Old 11-25-2021, 09:48 AM
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How do you identify whether you have a Challenger I, I,or III?
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Old 11-25-2021, 10:54 AM
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For starters

Is are made in Belgium, and so marked.

ps: A C2 will also have a steel frame, while I believe a C3 will have alloy.

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Old 11-25-2021, 12:25 PM
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Camster is correct. The Belgium Challenger (C - I) has a wrap around grip. The other two have a wood panel grip on each side. Except for 1976 and 1977 the C-II says "Challenger II" on the right side of the barrel. The C-III has "Challenger III" on the right side of the barrel.
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Old 11-25-2021, 12:51 PM
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Here are examples.


Challenger II - Grip angle is more like the Buck Mark, has things in common with earlier and later guns. The only examples I've seen have matte slides. This one is wearing Buck Mark grips. CII, CIII and Buck Mark can swap grips (except for the Rifle, URX, UDX and Challenge. Note the cutout for the BM's mag release.

Challenger III - Closest model to the current Buck Mark. The ones I've seen have polished blued slides and barrels.

All of the three pistols use the European style mag release.

The mags in the picture that say "?" are CII mags. The "Works in Buck Mark" is a CIII.

Original Challenger - (Not named "Challenger I" by Browning) had the Ruger-like grip angle.
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Old 11-25-2021, 01:26 PM
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Each generation was an effort to reduce costs yet still have an accurate and reliable pistol.
As mentioned above the Belgium Challenger I is the best quality.
The Challenger II has what appears to be a cast steel frame.
The Challenger III has an alloy frame.
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Old 11-25-2021, 01:27 PM
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Each generation was an effort to reduce costs yet still have an accurate and reliable pistol.
As mentioned above the Belgium Challenger I is the best quality.
The Challenger II has what appears to be a cast steel frame.
The Challenger III has an alloy frame.

The Challenger II & III are made in the USA like the Buck Mark.
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Will a Buckmark extractor and ejector work in a Challenger 3?
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Old 12-19-2021, 05:40 PM
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Will a Buckmark extractor and ejector work in a Challenger 3?
Extractor = Yes. Tried it.

Ejector = Probably not. See the pics below.

The extractors are shaped slightly different, but the Buck Mark extractor works in the Challenger III. The top two are Buck Mark and the bottom two are Challenger III.
This afternoon I replaced the original extractor on my Challenger III with a spare Buck Mark extractor. Took the CIII out back and ran a full mag through it.

The spare Buck Mark ejector above beside the Challenger III is somewhat shorter in the top leg. The end of that is what the rim hits on the way back after firing. My guess is that with that top leg shorter it may not kick the brass soon enough.

The slight bend on the CIII ejector may have been done to aid ejection. I've done a few on Buck Marks for that purpose, but don't remember doing it on the CIII. I was curious if it would work anyway, but really don't want to un-stake the original.
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Old 12-23-2021, 06:59 PM
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Will a Buckmark extractor and ejector work in a Challenger 3?
Extractor = Yes. Tried it.

Ejector = Probably not. See the pics below.

The extractors are shaped slightly different, but the Buck Mark extractor works in the Challenger III. The top two are Buck Mark and the bottom two are Challenger III.
This afternoon I replaced the original extractor on my Challenger III with a spare Buck Mark extractor. Took the CIII out back and ran a full mag through it.

The spare Buck Mark ejector above beside the Challenger III is somewhat shorter in the top leg. The end of that is what the rim hits on the way back after firing. My guess is that with that top leg shorter it may not kick the brass soon enough.

The slight bend on the CIII ejector may have been done to aid ejection. I've done a few on Buck Marks for that purpose, but don't remember doing it on the CIII. I was curious if it would work anyway, but really don't want to un-stake the original.
Thank you so much. I just got a 1983 CIII and the extractor looked a little worn on the bottom corner. The ejector is bent upward too so I ordered both parts from Numrichs that said for CIII but they also share the same part number as Buckmarks (on Numrichs). Maybe I won't need to change the ejector if it's supposed to have the upward bend. It is bent but looks to be a little more of a steep bend upward than yours. I thought maybe it was damaged. I hope it's not. I haven't even fired the gun yet.
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Old 12-25-2021, 04:18 PM
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Hey Chim,
Will a Buckmark recoil spring work in the Challenger III? I think I just kinked mine up a bit reassembling it. I'm new to these pistols. I have several Ruger MKIIs but this is my first Browning.
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Challenger II and III

Are the challenger II and III magazines interchangeable?
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Are the challenger II and III magazines interchangeable?
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Yes. The C-II and for most years of production of the C-III the magazines had a "Z" spring. For the last year or so the C-III had a coil spring. There are some early Buck Mark magazines that will work in the C-II and C-III as well as the Buck Mark.
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