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Old 05-06-2021, 04:05 PM
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A few days ago, I partially emptied a row in my safe to get to my AR that I just received a dedicated .22 lr upper for. My CZ 453 Varmint, my silhouette rifle, I set against my kitchen counter and my size 13 feet in shoes caught the butt of the stock and it did a 90 degree flip unto the floor.

This is the result.



The ellipse is around a section that still has a hinge of wood. Should I take a tooth pick and put hide glue in from the barrel channel side or just break it off and brush on some glue and put it back in place?

The pieces I have loosely attached.



I have some 192g hide glue mixed 2:1 water to glue by weight in the fridge soaking. I plan to heat up the glue Saturday or Sunday depending on work schedule and do my best. Any suggestions welcome on how to put this back together.

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I would mix up some Acraglas and put it in an irrigation syringe for application. Once you get a mechanical fix in place, it might be a good opportunity for a refinish. There might be some nice wood hiding under that mud.
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With multiple breaks like that I would forget about using the broken pieces. I would plane the wood on the stock from the rear of the break out to the front until flat. Then search for a piece of wood close to a color match as possible and plane it flat to have a very good fit to the stock. Acra glass it to the stock and when it is cured work down the glued on piece to match the shape of the stock and I would refinish the complete stock. I have fixed a few this way and they usually don't stand out if you get a close color match. They will definitely hold up better than putting multiple pieces back together.
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Might be an idea to make a fancy forend cap out of a piece of rosewood
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I would mix up some Acraglas and put it in an irrigation syringe for application. Once you get a mechanical fix in place, it might be a good opportunity for a refinish. There might be some nice wood hiding under that mud.
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With multiple breaks like that I would forget about using the broken pieces. I would plane the wood on the stock from the rear of the break out to the front until flat. Then search for a piece of wood close to a color match as possible and plane it flat to have a very good fit to the stock. Acra glass it to the stock and when it is cured work down the glued on piece to match the shape of the stock and I would refinish the complete stock. I have fixed a few this way and they usually don't stand out if you get a close color match. They will definitely hold up better than putting multiple pieces back together.
I tried gluing it together today. It is together but the pieces didn't go together as nice as I would have liked and it grew in length. I used hot hide glue so I can try again. For now it at least doesn't look like it has three teeth missing. It is my silhouette gun so I may use it as it is until winter.

I think I understand your solution. Somewhere I have a couple small hand planes. I don't have any walnut but I'll work on getting a few pieces.

Any tips on shaping the new piece to match? I haven't done much free hand work with wood.

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Might be an idea to make a fancy forend cap out of a piece of rosewood
That is a traditional method, not sure of my shaping skills and it would be a long cap due to the length of the broken sections.

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I would mix up some Acraglas and put it in an irrigation syringe for application. Once you get a mechanical fix in place, it might be a good opportunity for a refinish. There might be some nice wood hiding under that mud.
It is a CZ 453. What kind of finish did they use? Any suggestions on how to strip it?

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Man - I hate that for you.... I said a cuss word in support. As for the finish - have no idea what CZ uses, but I’d first try the strongest stripper you can find. The good ones are gone thanks to the EPA, but you may get lucky. If that doesn’t work, you may have to mechanically remove it with a scraper. Remington stocks require a scraper - very tough finishes.

As for the forend repair - if you sand the forend back to shape as it is, anywhere glue is showing will not match in color. Repositioning to remove as much of the glue joints as possible would be best. If after repositioning you have voids not filled with glue shellac sticks can sometimes do wonders to hide damage. Unfortunately this kind of break is almost impossible to repair without visible signs of work.

If a piece of walnut can be found with similar color and grain, splicing that onto the forearm is an option, keeping in mind you will most likely have a transition line showing.

The ebony forend tip idea is also plausible - and offers two options. You can add a long forend tip, which would look a little odd, or make it look intentional - kinda something like this:



Would still look a little funky, but adding an ebony grip cap would help.

Maybe even adding an ebony schnabel would be an option



Yes, my phone pic sketching skills suck...

Bad news is any repair of this kind will show - you’ll have to decide which would bug you the least and head that way........


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Thanks for the phone pics. The cracks goes further back.

Uncle gave me a nice piece of walnut that I can play with. May have to sharpen a plane.
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I was going to suggest using walnut tinted Acraglas to make the repairs and while you have already purchased the bedding ... go ahead and Acraglas bed the barrel/channel .
The bedding in the channel will back up the repairs .
Sorta kill two birds with one stone .

Don't want to bed the barrel or buy Acraglas ... I used Clear Gorilla Glue (not the old foamy stuff ... but a nice clear adheasive ) to glue a large round glass plate back together . It goes in the bottom of our microwave oven and turns around ... wife dropped it and broke in half ...two big heavy pieces ... I did not think the Clear Gorilla Glue would fix ... Boy was I wrong , glued that big heavy plate back together ... must be 6 months ago ... expected heat to make it fail ...Nope , still holding together and wife still takes it out and washes it !!! Surprised the Heck outta me !!!
I'm a believer in the stuff ... if you need to reglue ... try the New Clear Gorilla ...it's amazing .
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Do ypu really need that stock to be that long?
Bob-nose the stock, reprofile it and refinish.
Doing it that way will mean you really only have to get that one finger of a break stuck back down.
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It is a CZ 453. What kind of finish did they use? Any suggestions on how to strip it?

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I would try lacquer thinner first to remove the topcoat.

Our dearly departed George (NOREMF) was our wood working guru and i think he stated that 95% of modern topcoats are a toned lacquer .

Check out the wood working forum on RFC LOTS OF GOOD INFO thre.
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It could be lacquer, polyurethane, or even acrylic melamine. Most good brand strippers should remove the original finish. Since the hide glue is transparent but stainable I would definitely use it in lieu of anything synthetic. Carefully fit each piece back as best as you can before glueing each, then after it sets, block sand the area together until smooth and level. I've never tried dye on walnut, only stain. Lacquer or spar urethane both make excellent wood finishes. Minwax Antique Oil Finish comes in a walnut toned color also, that would well for a pretoned rubbing varnish finish. It's a quick drying polyurethane based wiping varnish.
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Our dearly departed George (NOREMF) was our wood working guru and i think he stated that 95% of modern topcoats are a toned lacquer .
I'm the same 95%, that NOREMF contacted CZ at one time and verified it was lacquer. But I can't find it chiseled in stone.
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