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Old 08-12-2017, 11:14 PM
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Already had a Japan model but wanted the real thing. Picked up today at FFL. Belgian FN. Serial number starts with F on barrel. Wierd thing is that it's not a takedown. One piece rifle. Can't find any info on internet about it. Was billed as pre 68 model. Definitely made in Belgium. Beautiful gun. Almost perfect. Anybody know about it?
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Old 08-13-2017, 12:19 AM
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Its a solid sa22?
Never heard of one.
Wonder how you'd clean it?
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Old 08-13-2017, 01:21 AM
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The non-takedowns are not extremely rare, as one can usually find one with a bit of effort and time, but they are definitely fairly scarce. Does yours load from the top of the wrist like the very early models? Would love to see pics. I would buy one if I could find one with a grooved receiver. I don't know that such a bird ever existed, or may have been the norm, but I think I remember seeing one for sale on GB about ten years ago. My recollection is the seller wanted more than I was willing to pay.
On cleaning, one would merely clean it like any other .22 that had a closed receiver, like a 10/22 etc: carefully from the muzzle or with a bore snake. Not really a big deal.

I am sure Camster will chime in soon and set the record straight on the history of wrist loaders, solid frames, and grooved receivers.

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Old 08-13-2017, 05:31 AM
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Yes,they do exist. I remember reading about them in Homer Tyler's book.(Note,they are pure FN rifles,not marketed by Browning) I don't recall seeing one.That's about all that I know(or remember) as the guns that mostly appealed to me,were the guns of the mid to late 60s.
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Old 08-13-2017, 08:06 AM
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It's not a top loader. Looks like a regular takedown model. Bought on GB, I thought it was a takedown till I got it, Will get some pics up once I figure out how.
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Old 08-13-2017, 08:09 AM
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Ok here it is
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Old 08-13-2017, 08:10 AM
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Old 08-13-2017, 08:26 AM
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Interesting gun,and in nice shape.I like it! It does look like a Browning.
The seller didn't disclose that it wasn't a Browning and was a fixed barrel version? Jeesh.
.FNs usually didn't have engraving.FNS usually went to every place but the US,and their markets were more into utilitarian guns,not embellished guns.
If it was a Browning,the folding rear sight with a single large screw says 1961 and newer,and the grooved receiver says pre 1967.
On the off chance that the barrel reads Browning Arms Company with a St Louis address, you made a home run as a collector's item.-It is a Browning.

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Old 08-13-2017, 08:40 AM
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Winder: Very nice catch. You did real good snagging one of these uncommon (at least here in the States) rifles:-)

These FN non-takedown SA-22's were not imported into the USA by browning. Consequently, they are seldom seen and the only documentation that I've been able to locate was a two page discussion by Homer Tyler in his book, as Camster noted above. They were produced sometime in the mid to late 1960's, however I have not determine exactly what years, nor how many F s/n prefix, series FN SA-22 rifles were produced. I have even shown my example to Anthony Vanderlinder. FN's historian and author of many FN related reference books and asked him if he knew the answers to my questions, however, all is quite to date.

At any rate, here are a few photo's of my example:







There are two opinions as to why FN produced this non-takedown version of the Browning SA-22.
The first maybe that FN noted that the ATD SA-22's who had receivers grooved for scope mounts, in the late 1950's and very early 1960's, were unsatisfactory performers due to the receiver/barrel takedown joint which could produce variations in the POI.
The second, postulated by Anthony Vanderlinden, was that FN simply wanted to reduce the cost of manufacture of these rifles to make them more competative in the market place. Not sure which theory is correct, or perhaps both of them are.

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Old 08-13-2017, 08:45 AM
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Thank you kaynine.
I see that yours has no engraving,typical of a FN,while the OP has an engraved version,hence my question about his barrel marking


Browning marked guns had the grooved receiver as late as 1965.(possibly 1966?) It was definitely gone by 1967.

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Old 08-13-2017, 09:13 AM
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Mine is an FN not a Browning. Seller did disclose that. I just don't think he realized it was a non takedown. I didn't either till my FFL said "hey I've never seen a non takedown."
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Old 08-14-2017, 10:31 AM
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Yes, very nice indeed! So, please give me first crack in the event you would like to sell it...since you had your heart set on a take-down......seriously. ��
Honestly, the only thing I dislike about the little ATD is the takedown feature and the cantilevered scope mounting.
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Old 08-15-2017, 11:30 PM
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Ok TBR...I've never sold a gun though; much to wife's dismay.
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Old 08-15-2017, 11:53 PM
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I like it. The take down feature is nice, but if my SA-22s didn't have the feature I would like them just as much. I don't need a take down rifle to enjoy it. In fact, until recently when I started using those Ruger style take down cases, I never took mine down except for cleaning.
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