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Old 04-18-2004, 12:22 AM
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When I first heard that removing the band from a 10/22 was good for accuracy, I gave it a quick try with two kinds of ammo. In that test, it cut group size with Dynapoints by about 1/4" (@ 25 yards), but increased it with Fed Bulks by more than 1/4".

Today I repeated the test with the five kinds of cheap ammo I'm testing at the moment. Here's the results: First figure is WITH the band, second figure is WITHOUT the band, third figure is the percentage of change (all numbers are averages of five 5-shot groups):

Winchester Xpert: .664/.831 +25%

Federal Lightnings: .615/.712 +16%

CCI Minimags: .678/.536 -20%

Federal Bulk: .772/.839 +8%

Winchester Dynapoints: .532/.513 -4%
(The Dynapoints shot one group of .193, the best group this gun has EVER shot with anything.)

My conclusion is that removing the band might help, might hurt, might not be worth noticing. Probably worth a try to see if YOUR gun and ammo combination likes it one way or the other. It's a cheap mod if it works for you, and easily undone if it doesn't.

You're free to interpret my results any way you like. Hope this is of interest!
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Old 04-18-2004, 09:14 AM
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How about after free floating?
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Old 04-18-2004, 09:18 AM
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How about after free floating?
Might try that later.
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Old 04-18-2004, 11:56 AM
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Rather than remove the barrel band, I always loosened it slightly. That seemed to help somewhat, while still maintaining the rifle's looks.

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Old 04-18-2004, 12:08 PM
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Just curious.....

Can you enlarge the barrel band cut enough for a bull barrel? Or would it look as goofy as a factory stock with no band?

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Old 04-18-2004, 10:36 PM
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I took off my barrel band, and found I have side to side movement of the barrel in the stock. I plan to bed my stock this week.
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Old 04-18-2004, 10:41 PM
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Just curious.....

*SNIP* Or would it look as goofy as a factory stock with no band?

Mark
Personally, I think they look goofy without the barrel band on a standard carbine stock.
The Deluxe stock is a different matter entirely.

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Old 04-18-2004, 10:53 PM
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Funny thing, I was shooting my other 10/22 today, the one I modified the factory stock to take an M1 Carbine barrel band (pic in another thread below), and that gun is just a hell of a lot more accurate than the other one. I mean one-hole groups under 1/2" with almost every kind of ammo, and that despite the fact that it has a very rough trigger. After screwing with that other gun for a year, I was shocked at how well this one shot.

I'm beginning to think the other one has barrel problems of some kind. I think I have another barrel around here somewhere, I'm gonna put that one on it and reshoot it in the near future.
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Old 04-18-2004, 10:55 PM
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I think I have another barrel around here somewhere, I'm gonna put that one on it and reshoot it in the near future.
That's the nice thing about the 10/22...if yours sucks, change a few things and it won't suck anymore.

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Old 04-18-2004, 11:57 PM
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Did you fire at least 5 groups with each change to get an average? (10 groups would be better) Otherwise, I don't think it proves much, there's too much left to chance. I agree that some rifles are going to be indifferent to the "BB removal trick". (Also that the rifle looks pretty dumb with it off when it's so simple to leave it on with some barrel clearance.....)

FWIW

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When I first heard that removing the band from a 10/22 was good for accuracy, I gave it a quick try with two kinds of ammo. In that test, it cut group size with Dynapoints by about 1/4" (@ 25 yards), but increased it with Fed Bulks by more than 1/4".

Today I repeated the test with the five kinds of cheap ammo I'm testing at the moment. Here's the results: First figure is WITH the band, second figure is WITHOUT the band, third figure is the percentage of change (all numbers are averages of five 5-shot groups):

Winchester Xpert: .664/.831 +25%

Federal Lightnings: .615/.712 +16%

CCI Minimags: .678/.536 -20%

Federal Bulk: .772/.839 +8%

Winchester Dynapoints: .532/.513 -4%
(The Dynapoints shot one group of .193, the best group this gun has EVER shot with anything.)

My conclusion is that removing the band might help, might hurt, might not be worth noticing. Probably worth a try to see if YOUR gun and ammo combination likes it one way or the other. It's a cheap mod if it works for you, and easily undone if it doesn't.

You're free to interpret my results any way you like. Hope this is of interest!
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Old 04-19-2004, 12:01 AM
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You can grind, sand, or file the inside of the band out so it makes no contact with the barrel but still retains the stock look....

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Old 04-19-2004, 12:03 AM
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Are there any photos floating around of one with a larger barrel installed along with the barrel band? I'd like to see how that looked when completed.

Mark
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Old 04-19-2004, 12:08 PM
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Are there any photos floating around of one with a larger barrel installed along with the barrel band? I'd like to see how that looked when completed.

Mark

Hi Mark,

The BB isn't big enough to fit to a big barrel......


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Old 04-20-2004, 01:16 AM
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A Bull Barrel is big enough to even out the look of the Ruger anyway.
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