More Winchester Magazine Info - Page 2 - RimfireCentral.com Forums

Go Back   RimfireCentral.com Forums > >

Notices

Join Team RFC to remove these ads.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #16  
Old 12-08-2010, 10:05 AM
asa's Avatar
asa
NRA Member - Click Here To Join!

Join Date: 
Feb 2004
Location: 
Vt.
Posts: 
1,542
TPC Rating: 
0% (0)
Win. mags



Log in to see fewer ads
Not to be redundant but excellent and timely information; I may not be overly computer literate, but I sure know how to make copies of JWA's charts. (Hope I'm not violating any copyright laws). Unfortunately all my mags are 1500 mi. away so I can't match 'em up to the info. Great stuff........... -Asa
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 12-08-2010, 10:18 AM
JWA's Avatar
JWA

Join Date: 
Jan 2010
Location: 
32,000 ft+
Posts: 
5,243
TPC Rating: 
100% (4)
Hi Asa,

You are welcome to anything in this thread. I just updated the chart again so make sure you get the latest revision (R10 P1 and R10 P2).

Regards,

Last edited by JWA; 12-10-2010 at 02:54 AM. Reason: New revision
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 12-08-2010, 10:18 AM
Seewin
NRA Member - Click Here To Join!

Join Date: 
Nov 2003
Location: 
MO
Posts: 
3,205
TPC Rating: 
100% (59)
I would like to thank JWA again for all his effort in putting this together. It has been and interesting and educational exercise for me. I know he put a lot of effort and time into bringing all this together for the rest of us to use. Hopefully we can build on the info as time goes on.
Steve
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
  #19  
Old 12-08-2010, 10:23 AM
JWA's Avatar
JWA

Join Date: 
Jan 2010
Location: 
32,000 ft+
Posts: 
5,243
TPC Rating: 
100% (4)
Thanks guys, it was a team effort.

One thing I noticed after talking to Steve last night is the patent drawings of the follower show it reversed beteween the .22 LR and .22 Short magazines. The 1919 patent (.22 LR) shows the follower with the long "tail" toward the front of the magazine and the 1922 patent (.22 Short) shows the follower with the long tail toward the rear of the magazine (which I believe is incorrect).

Seewin, which way is the follower orientated in your drawings?

Regards,



Last edited by JWA; 12-21-2015 at 04:18 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 12-08-2010, 11:00 AM
Seewin
NRA Member - Click Here To Join!

Join Date: 
Nov 2003
Location: 
MO
Posts: 
3,205
TPC Rating: 
100% (59)
Here is part of the drawing that show's orientation of stamping.
Steve
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 12-08-2010, 11:09 AM
JWA's Avatar
JWA

Join Date: 
Jan 2010
Location: 
32,000 ft+
Posts: 
5,243
TPC Rating: 
100% (4)
Perfect! It looks like the patent drawing is backwards and the long tail does go to the front.

Thanks for the scan!

Regards,
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 12-09-2010, 05:11 PM
Sav99age's Avatar
Sav99age
NRA Member - Click Here To Join!

Join Date: 
Dec 2002
Location: 
NE Kansas
Posts: 
2,086
TPC Rating: 
0% (0)
I have a 2 groove, 5rd, no pat.date clip with a blued follower. Is that correct?
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 12-09-2010, 05:20 PM
Seewin
NRA Member - Click Here To Join!

Join Date: 
Nov 2003
Location: 
MO
Posts: 
3,205
TPC Rating: 
100% (59)
I don't believe I have ever seen one with a blued follower. I have a drawer full of extras, that I will go through when I get a minute and check them as well.
Steve
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 12-09-2010, 05:22 PM
Sav99age's Avatar
Sav99age
NRA Member - Click Here To Join!

Join Date: 
Dec 2002
Location: 
NE Kansas
Posts: 
2,086
TPC Rating: 
0% (0)
So there was a period when the 52 shipped with ".22 LONG R" marked follower?

I thought marked followers were just a 56/57 thing. Just verifing.
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 12-09-2010, 05:49 PM
Seewin
NRA Member - Click Here To Join!

Join Date: 
Nov 2003
Location: 
MO
Posts: 
3,205
TPC Rating: 
100% (59)
The marking was added to the follower in 1925 and removed in 1930. So, any 52 produced during those years could have had the marking. I say could have because we have no way of knowing when old stocks were replaced with revised pieces. Using the same logic guns produced after 1930 could have them as well.
This info comes right off the blueprint for the 52 5-shot magazine blueprint. This is due to the fact that the magazine was originally developed for the 52. The 22 short magazine is listed in the 56,57 blueprint files, so apparently it was originally developed for use in those models.
Steve
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 12-09-2010, 06:27 PM
22AGS's Avatar
22AGS
NRA Member - Click Here To Join!

Join Date: 
Dec 2006
Location: 
south Florida
Posts: 
9,160
TPC Rating: 
100% (1)
Quote:
Originally Posted by JWA View Post
22AGS is too modest! 22AGS is the "glue" that holds us all together and pushes us to continue our education and share with the group. Without his lively postings I would never have joined RFC and met this group of fine people.

Regards,
Thanks. We are all one modest bunch of guys!
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 12-09-2010, 06:46 PM
JWA's Avatar
JWA

Join Date: 
Jan 2010
Location: 
32,000 ft+
Posts: 
5,243
TPC Rating: 
100% (4)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sav99age View Post
I have a 2 groove, 5rd, no pat.date clip with a blued follower. Is that correct?
All the info I have indicates the followers were left in the white with a polished feed surface. I don't believe I have ever seen a blued follower except on a refinished magazine and aftermarket magazines.

Regards,
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 12-09-2010, 09:05 PM
Sav99age's Avatar
Sav99age
NRA Member - Click Here To Join!

Join Date: 
Dec 2002
Location: 
NE Kansas
Posts: 
2,086
TPC Rating: 
0% (0)
I chased 52's for a while back before my Savage interests took over. I still have a few but I don't remember seeing any with the marked follower...but that was many years back.

With 10,000 plus 52's and their extra magazines with marked followers, seems like that style magazine would be more common than it is. Is it speculated or verified that the 52's shipped with marked followers for several years as a standard? I like having the correct style magazine in my rifles.

Were there seperate drawings for each LR magazine used in the 52, 56, 57 and 69? The only change till 1954 was the markings on the follower and floorplate.

Not trying to push anyones button but can't think of a better thread to ask these questions. I'm really enjoying they two magazine threads!

Last edited by Sav99age; 12-09-2010 at 09:11 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 12-09-2010, 10:07 PM
Seewin
NRA Member - Click Here To Join!

Join Date: 
Nov 2003
Location: 
MO
Posts: 
3,205
TPC Rating: 
100% (59)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sav99age View Post
I chased 52's for a while back before my Savage interests took over. I still have a few but I don't remember seeing any with the marked follower...but that was many years back.

With 10,000 plus 52's and their extra magazines with marked followers, seems like that style magazine would be more common than it is. Is it speculated or verified that the 52's shipped with marked followers for several years as a standard? I like having the correct style magazine in my rifles.

Were there seperate drawings for each LR magazine used in the 52, 56, 57 and 69? The only change till 1954 was the markings on the follower and floorplate.

Not trying to push anyones button but can't think of a better thread to ask these questions. I'm really enjoying they two magazine threads!
To begin with I cannot verify that any 52 was ever sold with a marked follower. I never bought a new one, and I know of no way to verify such. I am speculating on that. I can verify what I said in an earlier post about the 5 shot magazine having a 52 part number as well as when the marked follower was added to the engineering drawing and when it was revised to remove it. I can also state with certainty(verifiable) that I own several in that date range that came to me with marked followers. Were they original to that particular gun? I have no idea. I do know the way Winchester worked and also know that what they advertised was not necessarily what was delivered to the public. I put much more faith in the engineering drawings to be fact as opposed to advertising materials.
As far as there being seperate magazines for each model....I don't think so. Again I am speculating here. I know the 5 and 10 round 22 Long Rifle mags have model 52 part numbers. I can verify that the 22 short 5 and 10 round mag followers and internal spacers have G56/57 part numbers, so again, I speculate and say they were manufactured for use in those 2 rifles originally, but not necessarily those 2 rifles only.
I cannot speculate or verify the 69 magazine because there is no drawing for this in the 69 file.
There were minor engineering changes to all the magazines throughout production(this can be verified). These were very minor in nature such as hole diameters, material thickness, leg length on the followers etc. Thus, there were many changes to the magazines between 1919 and 1954, just none that the average person could differentiate in the normal course of use.
Steve
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 12-09-2010, 11:03 PM
XLIV

Join Date: 
Feb 2005
Location: 
Panhandle Idaho
Posts: 
2,390
TPC Rating: 
100% (1)
I too think the model 56 and 57 were the intended recipients of the marked follower (exception the pat'd date short). The brochure that was shared here on this forum -

..the 57 brochure reads


..and the 56 brochure reads


I have not seen any literature before or since referencing a caliber specific marked magazine. This of course is just my opinion but if you have another reference it would help.

44
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:00 PM.

Privacy Policy

DMCA Notice

Powered by vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Copyright 2000-2018 RimfireCentral.com
x