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Old 08-14-2009, 06:55 PM
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Ddidnt mean to hijack someone elses post, just goin thru same thing as post auther.
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Biomek, i was looking at 25-06's as well, its a pretty rare cartridge around where i am though. Hard to find shells for it and i dont reload. Looks like a great gun but cant afford to dish out the cash when i find the loads :S
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I like the 270, especially on big game at longer ranges.
Good all around caliber.
For varmints, I like the 22-250.
For larger game at longer ranges, 270, 25-06, 30-06.
There many choices that will get the job done but, it will be easier to find ammo for the most common calibers.
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I like the 270, especially on big game at longer ranges.
Good all around caliber.
For varmints, I like the 22-250.
For larger game at longer ranges, 270, 25-06, 30-06.
There many choices that will get the job done but, it will be easier to find ammo for the most common calibers.
The question was ONE round to use on varmint and deer 243 or 270?. It was not what is your favorite.

I am with you. I prefer the 22 Hornet, .222 Rem and 22-250 for varmints but that was not what we were asked.
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Old 08-17-2009, 01:41 AM
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Vincent notwithstanding, I've shot about 12 or 15 whitetail with .243. Maybe 20 with .270. The .243 WILL kill whitetail and do it spectacularly if you do your job just right. But if you are not a "bugshooter", the extra power of the .270 sure is nice if you make a "less than perfect" shot. Especially with larger northern whitetail. And yes, I'm willing to admit that in 70+ whitetail killed, I've had a few less than perfect shots, which is why my dedicated whitetail gun for anything other than very close heavy timber/brush shots is a 30-06.

That said, if you will primarily be using this rifle for varmints, with only an occassional whitetail, the .243 will do fine until you can get a heavier dedicated whitetail gun.
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Again I agree if you were buying two rifles.... one for varmints and one for dear I would not choose the .243 for EITHER.

I would choose a .222/.223 or 22-250 for varmints and a 7-08 Rem or .308 Win for deer but that was not what the OP asked
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Just buy one rifle ,a 30-06
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Just buy one rifle ,a 30-06
You gonna go prarie dogging with a 30-06 and shoot 500 rounds a day?
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Again I agree if you were buying two rifles.... one for varmints and one for dear I would not choose the .243 for EITHER.

I would choose a .222/.223 or 22-250 for varmints and a 7-08 Rem or .308 Win for deer but that was not what the OP asked
Why so negative on the .243. It'll take out prarie dogs, coyote, bobcat and other varmints as well as any other caliber. Above all it will take out mule deer and white tail just as well . I have 15 different calibers from 17 HMR to 30.06 and can extoll the virtues of each one, but the original poster asked which would be better the .243 or the .270 for his purpose I would have to say the .243 is the better choice of the two because it has far less recoil. By the way the comment of how well your Remington performed with 100 gr. My comment was that my CZ with a 1:10 twist doesn't shoot MOA with a 100 gr. and the Tikka (poster's preference) also with a 1:10 twist probably wouldn't either. However a 75 gr. Nosler Ballistic Tip cloverleafs at 100 yards for me.
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Old 08-18-2009, 10:00 PM
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You gonna go prarie dogging with a 30-06 and shoot 500 rounds a day?
If you can still get the "sabot" rounds....I don't see why not. Although if you can afford Sabot rounds, you would do better to simply buy a second rifle.
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Why so negative on the .243. It'll take out prarie dogs, coyote, bobcat and other varmints as well as any other caliber. Above all it will take out mule deer and white tail just as well . I have 15 different calibers from 17 HMR to 30.06 and can extoll the virtues of each one, but the original poster asked which would be better the .243 or the .270 for his purpose I would have to say the .243 is the better choice of the two because it has far less recoil. By the way the comment of how well your Remington performed with 100 gr. My comment was that my CZ with a 1:10 twist doesn't shoot MOA with a 100 gr. and the Tikka (poster's preference) also with a 1:10 twist probably wouldn't either. However a 75 gr. Nosler Ballistic Tip cloverleafs at 100 yards for me.
SHEESH.... Have you read this thread? I have been DEFENDING the .243 as a single gun choice since the beginning

I do think if you can afford two rifles the 222/223 is a better choice for prarie dogging because 500 .243's is day will wear you otu and burn a good bit of life out of a barrel.

For predator's I happen to think the 22-250/220 Swift is a slightly better choice than the .243. This is assuming you are saving pelts.

But as I said from the beginning of this tread if you are only going to buy ONE rifle for everything up to and including dear it is very hard to beat the .243 Win or the 6mm Rem.

Heck I have hunted jack rabbits and coyote with a 7mm Rem Mag but that does not mean it was the best choice
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I looked up the ballistics on the 243 and it is a potent round for sure. I believe that the 30-06 is more versatile as bullet weights range from 55 gr to 220gr and if you had only one rifle to choose from it seems the 30-06 is a better choice. But if I had to pick between a 243 and a 270 to hunt both varmits and occnl deer, I'd have to go with the 243. Tim

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243 vs 270

If you reload, both are based on military cartridges and once-fired brass is available. Also true for the 7mm-08, 308, 30-06 & 25-06.

If you don't reload, the cost of ammo is probably about the same. I reload so haven't priced factory ammo. Haven't fired a factory centerfire in 30+ years.

Regarding the original post, there seems to be a misconception about the capability of the 243 at extended range. Of course, bullet choice is a significant consideration and I use absolutely nothing except the Nosler Partition for any hunting (except varmint). Admitedly there are new bullets that approach the partition.

In Idaho one year we were heading for Sun Valley for a meeting and had the occasion to take a 4 point (western count) Muley on the way. One of the guys shot it and wounded it in the front leg. I got the task of going after it. I dogged it for about 2 miles. Finally came on a large deep canyon. The deer was headed up the far canyon wall. He was going almost straight up that wall was so steep and headed directly away.

I knew it was my last chance so I proned it, set the crosshairs at about 36" above the top of his antlers and fired. He folded immediately. The bullet entered immediately behind the shoulders in the middle of his back. It went through the spine, down through the boiler room and exited through the breast bone. Typical Nosler, .243 entry and quarter sized exit.

The rifle was sighted in at 3" high at 100 yards and on at 280 yards. Calculating and confirming the drop vs distance, he was just over 600 yards. (I developed and programmed ballistics calculation programs).

That is not a recommended shot, nor is it a recommendation to shoot deer at 600 yards. But it does confirm that the 243, with the proper bullet, is capable of adequate penetration at 600 yards.

Would I have preferred to have either my 25-06, 270, or 30-06 that day. Probably yes, but I did not feel at all under gunned because I knew what the 243 could do at 600 yards.

And, it was easier and surer to make the shot with the 243 with its lighter recoil. Also, I had shot it a lot more because it is easier on the recoil.

And, as far as anything below the size of deer goes, it is superior to any of the larger calibers out to any range that you can realistically expect to hit that target. On deer sized game, I would say it is equal to any other caliber.
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I believe that the 30-06 is more versatile as bullet weights range from 55 gr to 220gr and if you had only one rifle to choose from it seems the 30-06 is a better choice. ...
Yes, but.... how many different twist rates does that one rifle have?

All the time I read guys posting that such-and-such a cartridge is more versatile because you can get real short bullets and real long bullets in the same caliber, but let's take a look at that using the venerable .30-06 as an example.

According to Lilja, maker of fine barrels, a .30 caliber barrel shooting a fairly short 120 grain bullet does best with a twist rate of 1:15 or 1:16. But bump the bullet length up to get a weight of 220 grains and you're better off with a twist rate of 1:10. So, yes, the .30-06 can fire a wide range of bullet weights, but when you go from one end of the spectrum to the other you are going to lose some accuracy.... your 1:10 barrel very likely won't do well with those 55 grain bullets you mention, and your 1:15 barrel probably won't stabilize the 220 grain bullets. You need to figure out what kind of shooting you will do, figure out which caliber and which bullet will get the results you want for that kind of shooting, and then get a twist rate suited to that bullet. Once you've settled on a twist rate you cut down that wide range of theoretical bullets to a smaller range of bullets that will result in practical accuracy.

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Regarding the original post, there seems to be a misconception about the capability of the 243 at extended range. Of course, bullet choice is a significant consideration and I use absolutely nothing except the Nosler Partition for any hunting (except varmint). Admitedly there are new bullets that approach the partition.
Thanks for that, ballistx. Makes me want to give that .243 a try.
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