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Old 07-20-2018, 09:33 AM
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New to me 22/45 (First run version) "Mk II"



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First time owning a Mark series pistol, and after the first range trip, I have to say I'm impressed! Its a heckuva lot more accurate in my hands than my S&W 422 (though considerably heavier), or even my trusty old 1927 vintage Colt Woodsman that I grew up with.

Serial # 220-05xxx ;according to my research, it is a 1992 vintage "Target" model in stainless steel with adjustable rear sight and "tapered bull barrel" (heavier variant of the tapered barrel). Still has that "Luger look" to it, but with a heavy barrel.



10 yds at 3" bullseye

I'm curious about a couple of things on this pistol:

Is the lower replaceable with something that would allow me to swap out grip panels? Or failing that, is there a grip wrap than anyone can recommend for this model (I want something a bit bigger and grippier for my big stubby hands)

The rear sight looks easy to swap out. Front sight blade seems to be pinned in place . Does Williams (or anyone else) make a good aftermarket sight? My eyes are not what they once were, and I need something that stands out a bit more so I don't have to squint and scrunch so much to see through my bifocals...

Are the mags the same on ALL Mark II, III, and IV versions?

Any other mods/improvements that one would recommend (that are reversible).

Thanks!


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Old 07-20-2018, 10:05 AM
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I have one just like it and love mine. KP514 model not that common, and I would not change a thing. I plan to shoot and enjoy mine.
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Old 07-20-2018, 11:00 AM
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as already stated you have an uncommon gun and obliviously one that shoots well. You can get a Hogue "grips all" ? that will slip over the grip to give the grip more size. There are some people out there that will modify the molded in grip section flat and to accept 45 auto bushings so 1911 grips , with a small modification , will fit your gun. The 514 is a very desirable gun . If you plan to "never sell it" , how many times have I heard myself say those words, then modify the grip frame to you liking. However if you ever plan to sell it leave it as stock as possible. I would probably add a volquartsen sear and just shoot the heck out of it !!
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Old 07-20-2018, 09:46 PM
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If you have a bench or belt sander, and a Dremel, you can attempt to convert your grip frame. It's an afternoon job if you take your time, plus the time it takes for the Loctite or epoxy to dry (used to keep the grip screw bushings in place). If you use regular 1911 grips, you need to slightly modify the tops, since the 22/45 contour is a little different. I felt the same way about the grip being a bit small, so I added the Pachmayr finger grooves.

For the sight, if your eyes are as bad as mine, you might consider a dot sight, mounted in the rear sight dovetail. It's almost as low as the open sights.


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Old 07-20-2018, 10:01 PM
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That was my first 22/45 as well. I would leave the entire thing as is. It's a beauty.

I do use a bicycle inner on my grip. That zytel can be a bit slippery and innertube stays put better than the Hogue product in my experience.

That front sight blade is nice and sharp (even if our eyes aren't). I bought a MKII recently largely because I don't care for the dull edged bull barrel sights. If you want a red mounted and replacable grips, you are really describing a MKIII.

MKIIIs can be fine pistols after everything that makes them MKIIIs has been replaced with MKII parts.

I have an extra MKIII upper with rail, but I can't tell which grip will fit which upper without having them in hand and trying them.
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Old 07-21-2018, 07:42 AM
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Congrats on a great pistol. I've always like the 22/45 better than the standard steel series, and like others have said, the 5 1/4" heavy tapered barrel isn't nearly as common as the straight bull barrel models.

My KP514 is also first year vintage 220-024xx



There was also a 4 5/8" stainless model with the tapered barrel, but with a slimmer profile and fixed sights, this one is 220-24xxx

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Old 07-21-2018, 08:06 AM
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Red dot sights are definitely the way to go for older eyes. I have red dots on three of my MK's and after you get used to them you will never go back to regular iron sights.

Like stated in another reply you can get an adapter for the rear sight to mount a red dot with. I have a Burris TRS 25 mounted on a MK II that way. If you do not like it you can always go back to original sights. The TRS 25 is a little big physically for the gun but it has worked fine for over two years and has always held O once sighted in. They do make smaller ones that work well too. Depends on how much money you want to spend on a sight.
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Old 07-21-2018, 10:31 AM
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My MKII 22/45 "Competition Target Model " is my go to target gun, plinker and trail gun. It has the 6 7/8 slab side barrel. I've installed a HI VIZ front sight, Volquartsen trigger and Hogue slip over grip. For those keeping track, the serial number is the 220 series. Bought the gun almost 20 years ago. One of my grand daughters has dibs on it.
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Old 07-21-2018, 07:27 PM
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On your magazine question, MKIII mags will work in a MKII but not the reverse unless the MKIII trigger has been modified. Only MKIV mags will work in a MKIV and I’ve heard that newer MKIII mags will work in them as well but not sure. Someone else will have to comment on MKIV mags in a MKIII or MKII.

Your barrel is commonly referred to as a tapered target barrel. It’s not a bull barrel .

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Old 07-21-2018, 08:21 PM
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I had a MK 3 when they first came out. Those magazines work fine in my MK 4 Hunter.
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Old 07-21-2018, 11:38 PM
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RatGrip

I have a blued 22/45 with the short bull barrel, and I've added RatGrip panels because I wasn't happy with the stock grip. This product, along with a similar one, My Custom Grip, is available from Grizzly Tools and probably other sources. Both are heat-mioldable synthetic rubber. Essentially you clean all the oil, etc. off your frame or whatever else you want it to stick to. Then you cut the sheet of material to the rough outline of your grip, heat it in boiling water for a minute or two and then, using gloves, apply it where you want it. You can then use a gloved hand and a sheet of textured material that comes with the kit to squeeze and mold it to the exact shape of your hand. The Russian Olympic team is known for doing the same thing with Bondo on their target pistols and rifles. The difference is that a heat gun, carefully used, will remove the RatGrip if you don't like it.
The other alternative, albeit an expensive one, is to buy either a Ruger or aftermarket grip frame and put your barrel/receiver assembly on that. Mk I through Mk III grip frames are, so far as I know, totally interchangeable. The Mk IV, because of the new one-button takedown, is not. Prepare for sticker shock, though. You can buy a complete new target-grade Mk IV for what Volquartson wants for their top-line target grip frame.
One mod I would totally recommend is the Accurizer Kit from Volquartson. It's a totally drop-in trigger, sear and hammer set, with a few small parts, that will give you a match-grade trigger for about $125.
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Old 07-22-2018, 12:46 PM
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Thanks for all the replies, everyone! I took it out again yesterday and I have to say I don't think I've ever had as much fun shooting at soda cans since I was a kid.

I'm definitely thinking about a red dot. I have one of the Bushnell TRS-25 units on a CZ Scorpion, and price-performance it can't be beat. But I think it would be way too bulky on this gun, which has me leaning toward something like a FastFire

Can anyone provide details on the lowest profile red dot (reflex type) sight and the mounting adapter? I'm assuming it is something like a Burris Fastfire III or Vortex Venom/Viper with the mount Part # 410329? (Anyone know if the Burris mount will fit the Vortex optic?)

Also, since I've never put an optic on a pistol before, I'm wondering about dot size - with rifles/carbines, I've always gone with the smallest dot I could afford, but with a pistol, I'm assuming the calculus is something more like the tradeoff between quick target acquisition and accuracy (and typical shooting distances).

I plan to carry this while rabbit hunting, and it might be given the opportunity for ~50 yard shots, but most of the time I'll be shooting cans at 10 to 20 yards. Any advice on whether to go for 3, 4, 6 or 8 MOA dot?

Thanks again for all the advice. Love this pistol!!!
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Old 07-23-2018, 03:52 PM
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(Anyone know if the Burris mount will fit the Vortex optic?)

Any advice on whether to go for 3, 4, 6 or 8 MOA dot?
I have a Burris mount/Vortex Venom on my 5.25 taper barrel MKII. I have the 3MOA dot and it works great for 25 - 50 yard target shooting.
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Old 07-23-2018, 10:37 PM
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I had a MK 3 when they first came out. Those magazines work fine in my MK 4 Hunter.
They will on a target frame. Not on a 22/45 frame. You would have to cut off the back of the mag bases to fit a MKIV with a MKIII 22/45 mag. For the standard target frame, mags are the same MKIII to MKIV. For the MKIV 22/45, they shortened the basepad and extended the grip to where they won't catch on the bottom of your hand upon ejection.
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Old 07-23-2018, 10:40 PM
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I guess I didn't catch that it was 22/45 specific. You are correct. I have both in Mk4 config and they don't interchange.
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