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Old 03-30-2020, 07:17 AM
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First post, but have done some reading here for some time.

I have a coworker who has a winchester 52, I am planning on purchasing.
As this particular model is new to me I am relearning as I go.

It from what I can tell has the target stock(all wood, wide forearm)
Rifle has the Heavy bull barrel, the optics mountings on barrel, and the front sight mounting.
One original magazine, a adjustable butt plate/pad. And a forearm mounted aluminum piece, this is also adjustable forward and back.
There is a sight mount on the side of the reciever with 4 or 5 mounting locations as well.

Over all this gun I would say is in about 98% condition. No scratches in metal, wood has one very faint small indent you see when light reflects off it.

The barrel has a shiny bore and very nice rifling, no rust or pitting.
I have just recently been told of some crack that some may have. Can someone give me details of exactly where to look for this crack.

It has a serial number of 673xx b not sure if this helps.

One thing as well, the sights are missing...and no optic, but evident as to one was mounted due to some faint wear on front barrel mount.

Any information as to what to really look for on it would be great. I do have some pictures if need be.

And lastly, for a extremely clean rifle, what is the going price on these?
Want to make sure what I was going to offer is not over priced...
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Old 03-30-2020, 07:25 AM
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Id measure the barrel length to be sure it hasnt been bobbed and re-crowned at some point and also mic the barrel dia at breech and muzzle. The target barrel is very heavy and the 'bull' even bigger. To the unfamiliar the target barrel may well look like a bull and not be.
Imo these are important, especially when you go to sell it.
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Old 03-30-2020, 08:54 AM
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A super nice all original B Heavy Barrel no sights or scope is likely a $1000 rifle BUT we need to see pictures to tell if its original.

Barrel measurements like previously stated are very important, if it indeed is a Bull Barrel and all original and nice the price is much higher.
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Old 03-30-2020, 11:31 AM
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Model 52-B rifles are the most common of all 52 rifles. With a 67xxx serial number, it is a post war rifle. Post-war B models are the most common of all B models. So it is not a rare rifle by any stretch of the imagination.

B series Model 52 rifles do not develop the crack in the rear locking lug. They had been engineered to eliminate that possibility.

Any B Model with an adjustable butt plate has been altered, which adversely affects value by quite a bit.

Lack of sights also reduces value substantially.

Without seeing pictures, any estimation of value is a wild guess. But as described, I would not pay $500 for an altered B model missing sights.

Just my two cents.

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Old 03-30-2020, 11:59 AM
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Let me try this..
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Old 03-30-2020, 12:10 PM
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Here are a few more cell phone pictures. As for the barrel length, I will try to get a measurement from the front of reciever to front edge of barrel.

Here are a few pictures, not the best quality due to lighting.

This rifle was the father's, he passed on a few years ago. So I cannot get accurate answers as to who did what to it and when.
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Old 03-30-2020, 01:11 PM
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The buttplate is a problem, I would not pay over $600 even if everything else is as it should be.
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Serial # 63729 was in the Winchester polishing room in June or July of 1941, so it is a pre-war rifle. The barrel is a Heavy, not a bull. It appears uncut to me. The rear sight base is for a Redfield Olympic sight. They are readily available on eBay.

The stock was certainly cut when the butt plate assembly was installed. That does hurt value.

It would be a fine rifle to shoot. It would probably amaze you at the rifle range.

All the best---

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Old 03-30-2020, 01:59 PM
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As a non -expert, looks like a pretty decent rifle aside from the non original butt plate.
You'll have the expense of metallic sights, and if you want to scope it, the not insignificant expense of finding a Unertl or similar scope which can use the barrel blocks. Note that it is not d+t'd on the receiver for scope bases, nor grooved.
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Old 03-30-2020, 02:11 PM
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EGW has cantilevered mounts in several moa configurations to mount up Weaver/Pic rings to. The rail bolts into the same holes for the existing rear target base.
An old Weaver or Lyman 'modern' type scope with AO and good amount of power, say 10-12, would be pretty much a bolt on without the trouble and expense of getting a good vintage 'target scope' in the Unertl, Lyman Super Targetspot, Fecker, etc. class.
Im running a Lyman All American, PermaCenter, 10x, fine wires and AO on one rifle with satisfaction. It not only works very well but it looks the part too.
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Old 03-30-2020, 02:15 PM
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Another thing to consider is that stocks aren't that hard to come by if someone had to have it in original condition. Three of the four 52D's and the one E I have came in either non factory or cut off stocks. I'm down to one stock that has been cut off and it's a beauty. I'm a shooter not a collector so it's not a problem.
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Old 03-30-2020, 07:16 PM
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So if this rifle did not have the modified stock, what would a rough value be.
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Old 03-30-2020, 08:55 PM
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If the stock were uncut and the barrel is uncut, I do seem to see the bolt handle finish is worn so she's been shot more than a little.

I'd go $900 maybe. I'd really have to see it in person, it might be less.

Seriously though, that butt plate takes it right down to $600
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Old 03-30-2020, 11:44 PM
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That's the same adjustable butt plate I have been looking at. Bet its right around 12" lop and has those strange rubber pads, I see that familiar 52 hover that drives me nuts in your rear receiver picture.
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Old 03-31-2020, 12:55 AM
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Do you want a clean collectible or what is most likely a fantastic shooter for way less money? If the price is right this rifle should shoot tiny groups.
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