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Old 07-27-2011, 04:25 PM
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Who posted 117865 with the Walnut stock and Ordnance Cartouche? It sure would be worth a few pictures as it's the only Walnut stock example posted + it has the cartouche. Regards, Rick.
Rick,
I posted this rifle. It could be beech but it looked like walnut to me. I'm not a person who is real knowledgeable about the types of wood and their characteristics so pleeasssee don't flog me with a cat "o" nine tails if I have made an error in what type of wood the stock is actually made from . Pictures below.





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Old 07-27-2011, 06:19 PM
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[SIZE="3"]Rick,
I posted this rifle. It could be beech but it looked like walnut to me. I'm not a person who is real knowledgeable about the types of wood and their characteristics so pleeasssee don't flog me with a cat "o" nine tails if I have made an error in what type of wood the stock is actually made from . Pictures below.
Hello FFR&G. It's Beech. They were all stained with a military Walnut stain tinted with a bit of red. The Ordnance cartouche is very very nice. I would say it adds a 25% premium or more to the piece as most were either not applied or sanded out......Beautiful! Regards, Rick.
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Old 07-27-2011, 10:37 PM
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Hello BF62. Your stock is Beech. Regards, Rick.
Thanks Rick.

Now Flash can edit his list and get rid of that nasty RED ink by my serial number.
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Old 07-28-2011, 12:34 AM
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Please enter your 44 US serial numbered rifles and list the information shown.


PLEASE USE FORMAT SHOWN


Serial number, wood, sights, characteristics(none or list if non-standard)

100035, Beech, S-122 front, Lyman57MS rcvr, none
100212, Beech, S-122 front, S100 rcvr, none
101195, Beech?, Lyman 17A, Lyman 57MS (Early Type), Parkerized / Metal green & red safety buttons
106546, Beech, Lyman 17A front, Lyman 57MS rear, none
107317, Beech, S-122 front, S-100 rcvr
109147, Beech, S-122 front, Lyman57MS rcvr, none
109227, Beech, Lyman 57ms rear, s100 front, manufacture date 1/21/43. U.s. Property on barrel and on reciever.
110843, Beech, S-122 front, S-100 rcvr
116666, Beech/Birch, Lyman 17A front, S-100 rcvr, none
117663, Beech, Lyman 17A, Lyman 57MS (Early Type), none
117865, Beech, S-122 front, S-100 rcvr, Metal green safety button / Cross cannon cartouche on butt stock
123342, Beech, S-122 front, S-100 rcvr, blued
125065, Beech, S-122 front, S-100 rcvr, Metal green & red safety buttons
125248, Beech, S-122 front, S-100 rcvr, Parkerized
126629, Birch, S-122 front, No rcvr sight when aquired, none
143639, Beech? S-122 front, S-100 rcvr, D&T'd
145068, Beech, S-122 front, S-100 rcvr, none.
145578, Beech? S-122 front, S-100 rcvr, none
146220, Birch, S-122 front, S-100 rcvr, none
146270, Beech, S-122 front, S-100 rcvr, none
146294, Beech, S-122 front, S100 rcvr, none
148823, Beech, S-122 front, S100 rcvr, none
151606, Beech/Birch, S-122 front, Scoped - got it with scope mount in a trade
152946, Beech, S-122 front, S-100 rcvr, Blued, appears to have never been issued
152988, Beech, S-122 front, S-100 rcvr
153022, Beech, S-122 front, S-100 rcvr, none
154694, Sporter conversion, Scoped
156021, Beech, S-122 front, S-100 rcvr, 44 electro penciled on receiver
156123, Beech, Lyman 17A, S-100 rcvr, none
161249, Beech, S-122 front, S-130 rcvr, non standard/upgraded rcvr sight
161276, Beech, S-122 front, S-100 rcvr, none
164207, Beech, S-122 front, S-130 rcvr, non standard/upgraded rcvr sight
165247, Beech, S-122 front, S-100 rcvr, blued - D&T for side mount (factory)

1X0355, 44US(a), Beech, no sights - D&T for peep & side mount (factory), D&T for Weaver (non-factory) which obscured serial #, blued
140635, 44US(a), Beech, S-122 front, S-100 rcvr, D&T
140711, 44US(a), Beech, S-122 front, S-100 rcvr, D&T
142906, 44US(a), Beech, S-122 front, S-100 rcvr, D&T, US PROPERTY on top left of O.F.M. logo



NWSC2812, Beech, S-122 front, S-100 rcvr, Parkerized, Naval Weapons Support Center. Crane Original SN unreadable

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Old 07-28-2011, 12:41 AM
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I would hate to not keep my buddy Scott with idle time on his hands.....so.......
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Thanks Rick.

Now Flash can edit his list and get rid of that nasty RED ink by my serial number.
BF62 - You're back in the black!
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Old 07-28-2011, 07:06 AM
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Hello FFR&G. It's Beech. They were all stained with a military Walnut stain tinted with a bit of red. The Ordnance cartouche is very very nice. I would say it adds a 25% premium or more to the piece as most were either not applied or sanded out......Beautiful! Regards, Rick.
Thanks for the correct info Rick!! I had not realized that the Ordnance cartouche would increase the potential value of a US Property marked 44US quite that much. I will be very, very gentle with that area of the stock should I decide to clean/refinish the stock. I tend to leave them as they are though.

James

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Thanks for the correct info Rick!! I had not realized that the Ordnance cartouche would increase the potential value of a US Property marked 44US quite that much. I will be very, very gentle with that area of the stock should I decide to clean/refinish the stock. I tend to leave them as they are though.

James
An all correct M1 Carbine.....say an Inland, is worth about $1500. With a stock without the cartouche maybe $1250. A stock with a vivid cartouche is prima facie evidence that it has never been refinished/sanded and as such is worth much more to a collector. Having said that, we know that not all 44US rifles had the ordnance cartouche applied, so it makes your rifle even more valuable. Do not refinish that stock! Regards, Rick.
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Old 07-28-2011, 01:15 PM
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Only four, 44US(a) rifles reported so far and it looks like they are falling into a small SN range. 1?3055, if I had to guess is more than likely 140355. If that's the case the range is around 2500 rifles to date. Anything around 5,000 would place the 44US(a) in the 8 category on the 1-10 rarity scale(10 being most rare). Regards, Rick.
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109227, Beech, Lyman 57ms rear, s100 front, manufacture date 1/21/43. U.s. Property on barrel and on reciever.

Randy55 - if possible please advise if in fact the info provided is correct. An assumption might be that you meant S-122 front not a S-100 frontsight and U.S. Property instead of U.s. Property.

If your rifle is stamped U.s. Property, it would be considered a rather uniquely stamped piece or possibly indicate the factory stamp was damaged and the small "s" was used until another stamp was procured meaning there might be some others out there stamped this way.

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Old 07-28-2011, 09:50 PM
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154988, Beech, Lyman 17A front, S100 rcvr, parkerized. U.S. PROPERTY on barrel & receiver.
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148532, unknown but not Beech, S-122 front, S100 rcvr, blued, U.S. PROPERTY on bbl and rcvr
111052, Beech, S-122 front, Lyman 57MS rcvr, blued, U.S. PROPERTY on bbl and rcvr

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148532, unknown but not Beech, S-122 front, S100 rcvr, blued, U.S. PROPERTY on bbl and rcvr
111052, Beech, S-122 front, Lyman 57MS rcvr, blued, U.S. PROPERTY on bbl and rcvr

Hello skruft. The only ones documented have either a Beech or Birch stock(99% or higher are Beech). A picture would help. They finished these with a Walnut stain and it gets people confused. Regards, Rick.
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100236, Beech, S122*, S100 Rcvr, Parkerized. *Lyman 17A installed temporarily.
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Smile My two!!!

151287, no stock (purchased as a barreled receiver), S122 frt sight, no receiver sight, and blued. No bolt, and the barrel D&T for S107 barrel sight. Not factory D&T on side for scope base.
154436, Beech/Birch, S122 frt sight w/hood, S100 receiver sight, and blued. Not factory D&T on side for scope base. Also came w/OD green canvas web sling.
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103769, Beech stock, S-122 (F), Lyman 57 (R), currently in Peru; metal re-blued by Peruvian Navy workshop; "U.S. Property" in receiver.
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