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Old 11-21-2012, 02:36 PM
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I have serial # 12652, DOM is 1929, is this a correct date ????

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Per Appendix 1 in Houze's book your receiver was stamped August 18th of 1927. It is entirely possible that the receiver was not built into a rifle for months or even years so 1929 is not out of the question.
There may be a number on the bottom of the barrel giving the year it was made.

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I think you will find the barrel date stamp to be "27" signifying barrel was made in 1927.
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model D with C trigger

I have read several places that some early D models have model C trigger.I have #107274D.It has the C trigger.I love the rifle and would like to get another D model only with the D trigger.Sorry if I missed the info here on this site.But is there any info out the that would tell me when Winchester started using the D trigger.

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Win 52

I just took ownership of a 52 with serial number 972. Houze book says it was released in November of 1920. Is this correct? Love the rifle and everything seems to be correct except for a hole drilled to hold a palm rest. I will shoot it today. It has no crack. It has been pictured on RFC in another thread. Any more you can tell me about it would be appreciated.



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I THINK THIS LINK WILL WORK FOR WINCHESTER DATES OF MANUFACTURE:

WINCHESTER DATES OF MANUFACTURE

OR CLICK: http://oldguns.net/sn_php/winmods.htm



I am very new to RFC, but I have been a rimfire enthusiast for 35 years, owning everything one can imagine, plus designing and fabricating a few myself. Today my question involves production numbers for Winchester Model 52 Sporting rifles.

In my never-ending pursuit of the very finest .22 rifle of all time, I recently purchased a pre-suffix Type-A Sporting rifle in about 98% condition, and this purchase piqued my curiosity about its rarity. My less-than-scientific observations seem to indicate B Sporters are, by far, the most commonly encountered, and I have seen personally more Cs than As and Pre As. Yet, many of the publications assigning values to firearms characterize the Cs as the rarest. In an attempt to estimate which model is, in fact, rarest, I have used Houzes book, a few magazine articles, auction results, and my own rifles for reference. I have come up with some production numbers that I feel must be at least close, but I would like to present this information to the Winchester gurus to see what they think.

It appears the very first Sporting rifles (after the introduction of the 52 speedlock) were produced in August or September of 1933 (See Page 97 in Houzes book), beginning at around Serial # 31359 to 31419, depending upon the actual month production began. The first Type A (pre-suffix) rifles, with the modified receiver and improved safety stem, were produced in February of 1935 (See Page 108), beginning with around Serial # 36564 to 36699, depending upon when in February production actually began. Hence, from the date of the first Sporting rifle until the first pre-suffix Type A rifle, Winchester produced approximately 5145 to 5340 Model 52 rifles of all configurations. I guess well never know what percentage of these were Sporting rifles, but Houze describes the sales as brisk

Total Estimated Pre-A Model 52s After Sporting Rifle Production: 5145 to 5340

Houze states on Page 108 that Winchester began stamping an A in the serial numbers of the new Type A receivers, and retroactively stamped all receivers still in inventory, at around Serial number 40,000. Actually, the pre-suffix Type A Sporter I own is #40586, just 6 rifles earlier than Sporting rifle Serial # 40592A pictured on Page 111 in Houzes book, making it one of the very last pre-suffix Type A rifles and marking the end of pre-suffix Type As. Given the pre-suffix Type A starting serial numbers of 36564 to 36699 in February of 1935, and the first Type A rifles actually marked A beginning right at 40592A, I think we can safely assume Winchester produced around 3889 to 4028 pre-suffix Type A rifles. Again, we dont know how many of these were Sporting rifles.

Total Estimated pre-suffix Type A Model 52s: 3889 to 4028

Starting with Serial # 40592A and counting forward to the first Type B rifles gives us the next number. Houze indicates the first Bs were made on May 28,1937. This would mean #44600 would be one of the first 52 Bs, but APPENDIX 7 in the Houze book lists a 52 B in Winchesters Firearms Reference Collection with a serial number of 44402B, which would put it in November or December of 1936 production. In any event, this rifle is the earliest number B I have seen, so, using it as a cut off, we can assume Winchester produced 3810 Type A Model 52 rifles of all configurations, with the percentage of Sporting rifles unknown.

Total Estimated Type A Model 52s: 3810

While it appears 52 C production began in early spring of 1951 at around Serial #75,000, Type B Sporting rifles continued to be produced up until at least #84553BX (See photo on P 135). This really complicates our numbers, but, if we assume at least 30,598 (75,000 minus 44402B) 52 Bs of all configurations were produced, and perhaps one in ten rifles between 75000 and 84553 were Sporting rifles (this may be high given 52 C Sporting percentages), we would have a number of approximately 31,500 total 52 Bs.

Total Estimated Type B Model 52s: 31, 500

The best information on numbers of Sporting rifles produced exists for the C. Houze estimated 30,000 Cs were produced (see P152), of which we need not estimate the C Sporting production numbers, as Houze outlines this number in his book on Page 147. According to Houze, referencing the Sales of Model 52 Rifles from 1953 to 1980 in APPENDIX 4, 1314 Model 52 Sporting rifles were sold between 1954 and 1960, when the Model 52 Sporting was discontinued.

Total Estimated Type C Model 52s During Sporting Rifle Production: 30,000

Total Type C Model 52 Sporting Rifle Production: 1314

So, the key to unraveling the non-Type C Sporting rifle numbers is in the ratio of non-52 Sporting rifles produced versus the Sporting rifles produced for each type. The Sporting Cs represent less than one in 22 C rifles produced, or 0.438 percent, but it was during this era the Sporting model was discontinued, so sales must have been lackluster. A one-in-ten ratio would mean 515 to 530 Pre As, 389 to 403 pre-suffix Type As, 381 Type As, and 3,150 Type Bs compared to 1,314 Cs. This would make the Cs the second most common, not the rarest, even if we lump together the pre-suffix Type As with the other As. One in four rifles would mean 1285 to 1335 for the pre As, 1925 to 1960 of all type A rifles, and 7875 type Bs, compared to 1314 Type C rifles. This still does not equate to the Cs being the rarest, but it is close.

Well, am I completely out of line in my numbers? Does anyone have any other information that would shed light on Sporting rifle percentages?
I look forward to your input.
Thanks, Teddy Bear Rat

Great work... Minor point. The ratio of sporting C to total C is 4.38%, not .438%.
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Duly noted and corrected.
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