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... I can say a few things about a Marauder and the Discovery as I have both...
I use a 105 cf tank filled to 4,000 psi....
How about posting some photos of your rifles and PCP equipment?
I'd like to see you set-up.

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I hope I understand the question.
You need a stronger, quieter, more accurate rifle to shoot Sparrows,
_ with a limited budget but would splurge if the Marauder was up to the task ?
For sure you do not need a Marauder to kill a Sparrow...
_probably not even a Discovery, but both would and would do it very well....
I agree with you wholeheartedly.
For just sparrows ... both rifles are too much.
However, my initial attraction to the Marauder was its quietness.
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The other day I was talking to my across the alley neighbor
_ about a unknown dog in the common alley...
In our discussion, he mentioned he had recently heard someone firing a BB or pellet gun.
Nothing else on the market ... for the price ... can match its combination of qualities.
The Marauder's accuracy, the fact it is a repeater, has a good trigger ... all these factors for less than $500.
All of my criteria in one off-the-shelf package.

However, the cost of PCP support services and equipment maybe daunting for some.
In my case, a Marauder set for 2000 psi maybe my best choice.
CO2 is available locally and a manual, high-pressure, pump is much less expensive than a scuba tank.

If only Daisy made a shrouded Model 853C Legend EX.
Or, anyone produced a shrouded multi-pump or single-stroke pneumatic.
I'm not enthused about springers for some of the same reasons you have cited.
Plus, the special requirements that must be paid attention to when scoping a springer - two way recoil.
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Spanish vs German

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Doesn't Gamo make an air rifle w/ an integral suppressor...?
Yes, but a Spanish springer is not my preference.
A German springer with a superior trigger, barrel ... maybe.
But, most likely, the German rifles would be too loud for my backyard.
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... Personally, I don't think you need a PCP rifle to kill sparrows....
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... For sure you do not need a Marauder to kill a Sparrow
But, a multi-pump 1377 carbine conversion with a shrouded barrel might work well enough.
This thread got me thinking as well: Been thinking of making a Crosman 1377 Carbine

As such, I've been doing so internet searching and I think
_ I've found what I really need for my backyard.
If only the "muzzle brake" would moderate the report sufficiently.
Here is my favorite gun my Crosman 1377 Carbine

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sparrow

Please don`t shoot sparrows. Songbirds are on the decline everywhere.
Besides, it is against the law in most states.
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Please don`t shoot sparrows. Songbirds are on the decline everywhere.
Besides, it is against the law in most states.
LOL! Wow, are you out to lunch. House sparrows are a horrible, invasive species that kill native songbirds outright as well as hoarding food and nesting space. No federal law protects them and at least in PA they are "open season" year round. Blue bird lovers hate these things with a passion.

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http://www.sialis.org/hosp.htm

Is the next favorite species starlings?
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http://www.sparrowtraps.net/why_trap_sparrows.htm

I hate Seagulls too...They are like Rats in the trash bins
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Sparrows VS House Finches

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Please don`t shoot sparrows.
Songbirds are on the decline everywhere....
Sir, sparrows are not considered songbirds where I live.
These little creatures are displacing my house finches and golden finches.
Given the choice between the finches and sparrows ... the sparrows lose in my book.
I've considered other options first.
Passive measures to deter the sparrows.
Such as feeders specifically for clingers and The Magic Halo
and Other Means to Deter House Sparrows from feeders
- home made version(s).
With varying success.
Note: Not one sparrow on
feeder(s) only house finches

Traps only transfer the problem to somewhere else or to someone else.

The only other passive option is to poison the sparrows.
To some people these little birds are mice with wings.
Mr. Ice, would poisoning be a preferable tactic with you.

In my opinion, the most humane thing to do ...
_ is to dispatch them with an accurately placed pellet.
But, be heartened Mr. Ice,
_ these fluffy little packages of protein are being recycled.
The feral cats in my neighborhood are feasting
_ on their remains - nothing is going to waste.

Mr. Ice, in all seriousness,
_ I do appreciate your concerns - I share some of them.
And, you do make a valid point ... to protect birdlife in general.
I happen to draw the line at finches at the expense of sparrows.
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Old 09-29-2009, 12:57 AM
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Aom22.....

This is the best that I can do right now. Dan House was kind enough to post these pictures of my Discovery a while back.
https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums...d.php?t=273387
My Pcp equiptment ? All I have is a Scuba tank with a Y valve, and a Scuba yolk. The Scuba yolk attaches to the Y valve and the hose on the scuba yolk quick connects to the rifle just like you hook up an Impact wrench to your regular air hose in your garage. That's the good part, there isn't much equiptment needed to shoot a PCP rifle. Once filled you just shoot like a regular rimfire, except there's no brass to pick up.
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Old 09-29-2009, 02:04 AM
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filling SCUBA tanks

I your thinking of going the PCP route, and figure that you can get them filled at local firehouses as there are no other sources for fills...... do some homework first.

I shoot with several fire fighters from different stations. All state that there it is against dept. policy to fill tanks other that the SCBA systems they use for liability reasons. That policy was mainly based on non certified divers getting their tanks filled at fire stations which put the station possibly liable just as it does dive shops. So you might just want to confirm that you can get yours filled at a fire station before making the investment unless you also have a plan B to fill your tank / gun.
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Yes, but a Spanish springer is not my preference.
A German springer with a superior trigger, barrel ... maybe.
But, they, most likely, the German rifles would be too loud for my backyard.

Most of the noise from a springer comes from the spring itself. It seems louder than it is, because the spring is right next to the shooter's head. It really isn't very loud to someone standing a few feet away.
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FX Airguns

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The FX Cyclone shrouded in .22 or .177 with 3 power levels....
I looked at the FX Airguns in-particular the the FX Ranchero Carbine

Very impressive ... but, any model is over twice the price of a Marauder.
Add to that the expense of PCP support equipment ... way out of my budget.
I'm sure they are very high-quality airguns ... too costly for me.

However, the "removable air cylinder which can be filled on or off the airgun"
coupled with a SUPER STROKE PUMP significantly simplifies PCP support.

For a person such as myself ... nearest SCUBA filling station is 85 to 105 miles away - Odessa or Midland, Texas.
As detachable tank fillable by a hand-pump with a DIN adapter certainly is an attractive alternative.
Hmmmm ... wonder of Crosman has a detachable tank as an option?
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Springer vs Pneumatic

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Most of the noise from a springer comes from the spring itself....
It really isn't very loud to someone standing a few feet away.
I thought about the springers ... very cost effective.
But, I prefer a pneumatic ... adjustable power.
For plinking and very small pests constant full-power isn't needed.
"Springer's are almost always quieter than pumps or tanks..."

"video comparing the shot sound of a Marauder and Beeman R7"

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LOL! Wow, are you out to lunch. House sparrows are a horrible, invasive species that kill native songbirds outright as well as hoarding food and nesting space. No federal law protects them and at least in PA they are "open season" year round. Blue bird lovers hate these things with a passion.

Read up a bit:

http://www.sialis.org/hosp.htm

Is the next favorite species starlings?
After some research I find that you are correct.
I learned something new today and stand corrected.
My apologies to the original poster.
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Old 09-29-2009, 01:24 PM
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When I bought my Discovery almost a year ago, I didn't know anything about any air rifles (except what I had as a kid and my kids had...pump up, hit and miss rifle). Months before buying my Discovery and before consulting the air gun forums, I bought a Gamo Whisper from Gander Mountain. After a week I didn't own a Gamo Whisper any longer. But that's a whole nuther story.
On the bright side, I guess my expierence with the Gamo Whisper is what really brought me to reading the air gun forums and thus finding out about PCP rifles. In that light, the gamo Whisper is the best rifle I have ever owned.
I had no idea there were so many different kinds of air rifles much less which brand or model, it was overwhelming. With the circumstances that I spelled out, the Discovery was new and popular and reccomended here and on the yellow forum so I took everyone at their word and bought one. Mac 1 was also recommended so I ordered it from Tim. I have been totally happy with the Discovery, and at the time I wouldn't have even considered spending a thousand plus dollars on a pellet rifle. I really didn't believe a pellet rifle was going to perform the way everyone says. I really needed something that was magazine fed, but at the time the Marauder was just being talked about. However if I had it all over, I wish I had bought an Air Arms or FX in the beginning. Money wise I would probably be even, Nah.....ahead !
I have nerve damage in my hands and have problems picking up and holding onto a pellet. Putting it into the chamber is a real challenge, but I guess it keeps my brain healthy and gives my tounge lots of exercise. Not cussing, but directing my fingers. I can't hardly load the Discovery unless I'm sitting down with it in my lap, much less walking throught the woods. I really needed a rifle that I could load the magazine sitting down and go shoot 10 times. Once I saw how well the Discovery took care of my problems, I was ready to move up and AGAIN I stressed over which to buy. Also again shelling out a thousand or more dollars on a pellet rifle was very hard to do, mentally ! ((( I'm a rimfire nut and a thousand $ will buy a very nice rifle ))).
I considered buying used and many Air Arms and FX Cyclone came and went. The Marauder was the new hot thing and good reviews and cheap 'er
so I bought a Marauder. Although I've never held or even seen any of the other rifles, I wish I had bit the bullet and gone with an Air Arms or FX Cyclone or even the Monsoon. I haven't yet shot my Marauder, it may be a keeper, but the Marauder is very heavy, and not so much weight wise (but also weight wise) but awkward to hold, the stock is just to big, it is jusst " clumsy uncomfortable " or Sumphen like that.
All this probably isn't helping you, and for sure I hope I'm not confusing you. Choosing an air rifle when you don't know anything about them and worse, none of your friends have one is very intimidating and with all the different brands, models and different types, pump, break barrel, co2, high pressure air, that just adds to the fire.
I'm air gun illiterate, but IMHO the only reason to not go with a PCP would be "there's no where to fill a scuba tank". If budget was a factor, I would still buy a Discovery. It is an awesome rifle, and that's not comparing it to other air rifles, that's comparing it to my rimfires which are all very accurarte. My Discovery really opened my eyes to how well an air rifle can perform. I no longer read the forums with a skepticle attitude. Granted you can't believe everything that you read, but it doesn't take long to filter out what's real and what's just easy chair shooting talk.
My Discovery cost within a few dollars of what I paid for the Gamo Whisper.
I then bought the Scuba tank from a swap meet at the Scuba shop, cost me $105 total. That was getting it filled and a new pressure washer. I even got a an extra K valve. When the tank runs out I can remove the Y valve and can install the K valve. The only other expense was the Scuba yolk which I bought new from Mac 1, but now that I'm a little smarter, I would just buy a used one..... they come up on the classified's all the time. I think I saw one the other day for $50.
With all that said, ain't no way I would cock or pump if I could get air.....
even if I had to drive a 100 miles to get it. You may can shoot a spring rifle ? I personally didn't have the time, nor patience to practice hold discipline.
One other thing and I'll shut up.....My Discovery is almost identical in size and feel as my CZ American's.....it was an easy transformation. I can't say that about the Marauder. I will be doing some cutting and grinding or else buying another stock. More doallars spent just to get to where it should have been already ? Am I wrong about the Marauder ? What were the Crosman engineers thinking about when they designed the stock ?
Crosman does have a new rifle out that has a removable air take.

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Old 09-29-2009, 01:40 PM
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Sparrows are good ! ! ! ! !

Ice, don't feel bad, you ain't completely wrong. There are many varieties of American Song Sparrows. They nest in the fields. The English Sparrow is the one everyone hates and also Starlings, especially Starlings ! They are aggressive, invasive Rats with feathers !
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