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About 3 years ago I sold a KMC SR-15 carbine I had owned since 1998 (sold it because it was post-ban configuration).
My carbine had a Aimpoint Army Contract red-dot mounted forward on the Picattinny rail - KMC RIS.
The mount was a KMC quick detach.

At the time I purchased my SR-15, few manufactures were producing .22lr conversion units for AR-15s.
Other than Atchisson and Ciener (Atchisson based), the alternative was a custom-made,
.22lr top-end from an expensive gunsmith shop with an indefinite wait-time.

Needless to say, I never bought a .22lr conversion unit for my M4.

However, if I were in the market for a .22lr AR-15 clone,
the OLYMPIC ARMS Inc. rimfire conversion system would be on my short list.

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For an optic, it would be difficult to justify the cost (I'm nolonger single)
of a genuine Aimpoint.
But, a REPLICA, a good one, would be something to consider.
Enter, the MFI Quick Reaction Weapons Sight



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SPECIFICATIONS / SPECIAL FEATURES:

Main Body / Tube: Single piece Heavy duty 6061-T6 aircraft aluminum alloy. 30mm Diameter tube so this will fit in any standard 30mm Scope Ring. (We offer Heavy Duty Rings as well.)
Red Dot size: 5 to 6 MOA
Red Dot Brightness: There are 7 degrees of brightness. All are for the visible light spectrum. The QRS is NOT IR compatible.
Shock resistant designed for use on Class II & III weapons in any smallarm caliber up to 308.
Lens Covers: Lenses Covers are INCLUDED with every QRS. Quick flip up style similar to Aim Point and Butler Creek.
Lenses are quality optics similar to US Mil Spec.
Tube is Nitrogen filled.
Lenses are coated for Anti Fog / Anti Glare.
Over all Length: 4.85 Inches / 123mm
Outer Diameter: Head 1.46 inches / 37mm
OBJ Lens: 30mm / 1.19 inches
Magnification: 0 or ZERO
Weight: 5.5oz (with batteries)

Note on Waterproof Scopes: Again please note that this item is NOT water proof. It is weather / water resistant as it is equipped with "O" Rings on the battery compartment, windage and elevation covers. So no problem in heavy weather but, it is not advised to be submerged.
SCOPE RINGS

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This item is a direct response from loyal customers requesting a more cost effective and shorter range applicable RED DOT SITE similar to that of Aim Point and Trijicon. Yes you always get what you pay for... And YES there is a trade off here as well. The main difference between Aimpoint, Trijicon and EoTech and the MFI QRS is that our site is NOT WATERPROOF. The QRS is completely sealed and has "O" Rings on all removable caps and thus is Resistant to Heavy Weather but, it is NOT waterproof to 30 meters of salt water. Yes you can even drop it in a puddle of water but, you CAN NOT exit a submarine in the Arctic and expect it to function like it's more expensive counterparts.
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Replica Optic: Sniper Scope

If I had a Ruger 10/22 accessorized by Christie & Christie Enterprises
This is reasonably priced scope, I would consider mounting.
That would be in-character with the look of Super Stocked 10/22

MFI

MFI 30mm Special Operations Sniper Scope


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Construction elements are similar to that used in very high-end scopes like:

.... Tube Body is single piece aluminum.
.... Military Style Markings.
.... Silver Objective Ring Spacer.
.... Lenses are quality optics similar to US Mil Spec.
.... Tube is Nitrogen filled.
.... Lenses are coated for Anti Fog / Anti Glare.
.... Best of all this scope is can be focused (via diapter for fast target acquisition) as close as 6 feet.
.... Reticle is standard hunting / military cross hairs thick and then thin in the center.
.... Parallax Free at 100 meters @ 2 power.
.... Comes with protective see through lens covers.
.... Reticle is "SPLIT LIGHTED" Style. This means that when the reticle is lit up only the center cross hairs are illuminated.
MFI 30MM RINGS ...........MFI 1 INCH RINGS
...............

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Sniper Scope MFI Manufacture 30mm Tube 1.5 X 6 Power: This is a REAL WEAPONS SIGHT… Built to take the punishment of a center fire cartridge but, also manufactured to MFI specifications to work on airsoft guns as well. This is a scope with a 30mm tube with 50mm objective lens. Power is variable from 1.5 to 6. The zoom power range is specially designed for MFI and ideal for airsoft use so as not to be too powerful. Standard rifle scopes on the market are usually above 4 power, which is not very practical for airsoft application because the scope can see farther that the gun can shoot. Style is copy of Schmidt & Bender / Zeiss Hensold $2000.00 Sniper Scope. Matt black finish with Sniper external 1/4 of a minute windage / elevation knobs. Comes with protective see through lens covers.
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LIGHTED / ILLUMINATED RETICLE:


Illuminated Reticle Has 11 brightness settings... Yes a bit over kill as the 5 lowest are hardly noticeable but, given the number of adapters for NIGHT VISION that are appearing on the market now we thought it a good idea given the direction of the market place. So the lower 5 settings are really not noticeable unless used in conjunction with night vision. Lighted Reticle is powered by a battery (included with scope) see specifications below.

This LIGHTED STYLE of reticle is known as a "SPLIT STYLE". This means that when the reticle is lit ONLY the CENTER CROSS HAIR lights up. The advantage here is that this reduces the glare and eye strain in extreme low light conditions that are common on full lit reticle scopes. Additionally unlike other less costly ( and NOT as Technologically Sophisticated ) Lit Reticle scopes that others sell the split reticle does NOT cause a glare / halo effect found in full lighted reticle scopes. If you have ever bought a scope with a full style lit reticle you will know that if you look in the scope at even a slight angle (no center) you will see a lighted ring / halo effect which can be incredibly distracting especially in a tactical situation. This is why we choose the more costly option of the SPLIT STYLE to avoid this issue. More costly to manufacture, but well worth it.

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Chinese Trademark Infringment: Required Reading

Be advised everyone to read the following article - especially Dan308's Link
And, think twice ... Maybe, Made In China? ... before buying.


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I invented a device and got it patented. T
here are many, many things about patents the average guy doesn't know.
The way it's set up a company could make my device and sell it and I couldn't do a thing.
Apparently, Leupold is having that problem. Read this link

http://www.allbusiness.com/legal/879017-1.html

China's trademark office rules against Leupold's claim for the 'LEUPOLD' mark.


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China's disregard for upholding its numerous international commitments to intellectual property rights
is presenting yet another frustrating struggle for a U.S.-based manufacturer.

Leupold & Stevens, the Beaverton, Ore.-based maker of riflescopes, binoculars, rangefinders and spotting
scopes under the "Leupold" trademark, learned in December 2001 that the Chinese government had issued
a trademark for the English word "LEUPOLD" to a company it had never heard of: SAM Optics Ltd. of China.

To counter SAM Optics' application, Leupold and Stevens filed its own trademark application
with the People's Republic of China on Jan. 21, 2002. It learned in November 2005 that its application
for the "LEUPOLD" trademark in China was rejected by the PRC Trademark Office on grounds
that it did not own a registration or application for the mark "LEUPOLD" in China, company representative
Andrew York told the Senate subcommittee on trade, tourism and economic development on March 8.
The Chinese Trademark Office also said that Leupold & Stevens' "demonstration of trademark registrations,
sales and manufacturing volume, and affidavits of fame of the mark, were insufficient to prove that SAM Optics
had filed in bad faith," said York. "This is the kind of experience that awaits U.S. businesses seeking to register
their trademarks in China."

Leupold & Stevens is filing an appeal, but the company's counsel does not expect the PRC Trademark Office
to rule for at least two to three years. "If Leupold & Stevens loses this final appeal and if it loses its opposition
against [SAM Optics] for the LEUPOLD mark owned by Sam Optics, Leupold & Stevens will have no recourse
except either to pay whatever price SAM Optics sets for the registration it has obtained in bad faith
or run the risk of being prosecuted for infringement of its own mark registered in China by SAM Optics," said York.
"This is obviously just the type of fraudulent intent that numerous international conventions, agreements
and treaties have sought to prevent."

China is a member of the World Intellectual Property Organization and the Paris Convention
for the Protection of Industrial Property. It acceded to the Madrid Agreement for International Registration
of Trademarks in 1989; the Nice Agreement for the International Classification of Goods and Services in 1994;
and it signed the Trademark Law Treaty


But for Leupold and Stevens, a 99-year-old manufacturer, none of those treaties matter. China interprets
its involvement in these conventions however it pleases, said York. "What is possibly needed is
stricter wording in these international agreements that treaty provisions take precedent over
domestic trademark provisions and these treaty provisions must be incorporated exactly as enacted in
the signed agreements," he said.

Shortly after SAM Optics filed its application in 2002 for the "LEUPOLD" mark, Leupold and Stevens
started to do some research on the company. It found that SAM Optics had filed to
register applications for 16 other companies' trademarks, most of which were in the sports optics
and telescope market, including for the biggest names in the business: Bushnell, Swift, Celestron,
Swarovski and others. "We later learned from our counsel that SAM Optics sold one of the marks
for somewhere between $50,000 and $80,000," York told the subcommittee.

"It is clearly not ethical or acceptable that SAM Optics runs out and files trademarks in China for 19
well known international brands of optical equipment with the sole intent being to extort a ransom
from those companies, to purchase back trademarks which those companies rightfully own by
internationally accepted trademark standards," York said. "Furthermore, it is absolutely not acceptable
that China, having agreed to these international standards, fails to implement them into law
or to correctly apply those trademark laws which it has implemented. How can it be that after all of the work
that has gone into setting these international standards that Leupold and Stevens Inc. cannot register
and protect the LEUPOLD trademark in China, even in the face of such a case of pure
fraudulent intent by SAM Optics?"

SOURCE: AllBusiness.com, Inc
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Chinese Trademark Infringment: More Required Reading Page 1

If you read Dan308's Link ... be advised, the following, most likely, is the source document.

This basis file is lengthy. But, I believe, it is worth the time and effort to read carefully.
Hopefully, it will cause some of us to pause and consider
thinking twice ... Maybe, Made In China? ... before buying.
I do ... although, it is darn near impossible to avoid Chinese products.
Maybe, I'm being naive. But, I will continue to make a concious effort to do so.

For some, the PDF file maybe easier to read.
Curiously, there is no link to the testimony at the Counterfeit Leupold® Riflescope Warning page.
Makes one wonder, What is Leupold® thinking?

Leupold: Official Testimony - Piracy and Counterfeiting





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I want to begin my testimony by thanking the Committee for your efforts to understand the
impacts these activities have on American business, large and small. I would like to present to
you today an insight into one such American company, Leupold & Stevens, Inc., and how
piracy and counterfeiting are impacting our business. Your focus on these issues is greatly
appreciated and we think it holds great promise that this committee will identify and
implement strategies that will lead to further refinement of international intellectual property
standards and the corresponding domestic legislation where these international agreements,
conventions and protocols are interpreted into the laws of the member countries.

Leupold & Stevens, Inc. is based in Beaverton, Oregon. We have been in business since
1907. As our business has grown, we have expanded our workforce to approximately 600
employees. Leupold is a fifth-generation family owned company. We pioneered the
manufacture of waterproof riflescopes in 1947 and have steadily developed a worldwide
reputation for building the world’s finest hunting scopes, binoculars, spotting scopes and
rangefinders, sold under the trademark LEUPOLD.

Over time, our brand has been built on the principle that every customer is entitled to a square
deal. Leupold has become legendary for its rugged dependability, absolute waterproof
integrity and lifetime guarantee. This is an old fashioned guarantee from an old fashioned
kind of company: If any Leupold Golden Ring product is found to have defects in materials or
workmanship, we will, at our option, repair or replace it. FREE. Even if you are not the
original owner. No warranty card is required. No time limit applies. These are the building
blocks that our brand and LEUPOLD trademark have been built upon.

Leupold & Stevens projects worldwide sales of well into the hundreds of thousands of
units in 2006, totaling in the hundreds of millions of gross revenue dollars, for hunting
scopes and related goods sold under the mark LEUPOLD. The trademark LEUPOLD for
hunting scopes and related goods was first registered in the United States on January 12,
1971. Since then, Leupold & Stevens has obtained registrations for the mark LEUPOLD in
the member countries of the European Union, Australia, New Zealand, and Japan
.
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Leupold sells its products to three unique markets; Hunting/Shooting, Observation and
Tactical. Our riflescopes are used for hunting and target shooting all over this great country
and, in fact, all over the world. Our tactical line of riflescopes is used extensively by law
enforcement officers and by many branches of our military. Our troops in Afghanistan and
Iraq rely on our riflescopes on a daily basis to complete their missions.

Aside from the U.S., we have distributors and/or representation in Austria, Australia, Belgium,
Bulgaria, Canada, Czech Republic, Denmark, England, Finland, France, Germany, Holland,
Ireland, Israel, Italy, Japan, Kazakhstan, Latvia, Mexico, New Caledonia, New Zealand,
Norway, Poland, Portugal, Qatar, Romania, Russia, Serbia & Montenegro, South Africa,
Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Taiwan, Thailand, Ukraine and United Arab Emirates. Although
we source components and finished goods such as binoculars and range finders from China,
we do not export riflescopes there due to Tiananmen Square-related Sanctions that are in place
at the U.S. State Department. If market conditions in China and export laws were to change in
the future, Leupold would consider expansion into this market just as we have done elsewhere
in the world.

Before we begin to recount the history of what has transpired in regards to Leupold’s efforts to
trademark and protect our brand LEUPOLD in China, I do want to state for the record that
Leupold has strong business partners in China. Most companies and authorities that we have
dealt with in China and certainly those relationships and partnerships that are currently in
place are based upon mutual respect, trust, honor and proper business ethics. From Leupold’s
perspective, we find it most unfortunate that with such positive business dealings with our
many partners in China that a single company could cause us such problems. What is more
troublesome however is that with the extent of trade between China and the U.S. and all of the
international agreements, conventions and protocols that China has acceded to, one would
think that the PRC intellectual property laws would not allow such behavior. That has not
been the case, at least from our experience over the past five years.

In December 2001, Leupold & Stevens learned that an application for the word mark
LEUPOLD, in English, had been filed in the People’s Republic of China for goods including
those manufactured and sold by Leupold & Stevens. That application, filed for goods in
International Class 13, was owned by a company called SAM Optics (Nantong) Company
Ltd., hereafter SAM Optics. Note that Leupold & Stevens has never had a relationship with
SAMOptics in any capacity, either as a distributor, retailer, or manufacturing partner.
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Following counsel’s advice, Leupold & Stevens filed trademark applications in China in
International Classes 9 and 13, covering all the Goods it manufactures and sells in order to
support filings to oppose the SAM Optics application. The LEUPOLD trademark
applications were filed on January 21, 2002.

In preparing evidence to oppose the SAM Optics LEUPOLD trademark application, Leupold
& Stevens learned that SAM Optics had filed to register 19 applications for 16 other
companies’ marks primarily in the sports optics and telescope markets. These included such
widely-known marks as CELESTRON, SWIFT, BURRIS, BUSHNELL, SWAROVSKI,
SIMMONS, WALTHER, and BSA (See attached list of Marks). In January, 2002, at the
Annual SHOT Show, a representative of Leupold, Fritz Kaufman, met with a representative of
BSA, Roger Vallecorse, to discuss SAM Optics. Roger Vallecorse followed up that meeting
with an e-mail to Fritz Kauffman, which I attach. In that e-mail, Roger Vallecorse offers to
introduce Leupold to SAM Optics, who had assisted BSA with buying back its mark from
another China company, Asia Optical, to whom BSA paid $25K. Roger Vallecorse states that
SAM Optics’ motives in registering the marks referred to above are to prevent those marks
from being registered by Asia Optical. Vallecorse, then, paints SAM Optics as a good guy –
Asia Optical are the bad guys. Note that Vallecorse's e-mail was copied to both an officer of
SAMOptics (Yin Zhu Hua) and the company lawyer (Guo Jun).

We later learned from our counsel that SAM Optics sold one of the marks (we do not know
which one) for somewhere between $50,000 and $80,000 (USD). This is the kind of
experience that awaits US businesses seeking to register their trademarks in China.

SAM Optic’s trademark registration pattern and practices were cited in the opposition filed by
our counsel on April 20, 2002. That opposition was based on the bad faith of SAM Optics in
seeking to register LEUPOLD, among other marks. The opposition cited Article 31 of the
PRC Trademark Law, which states:

An application for the registration of a trademark shall not create any prejudice to the
prior right of another person, nor unfair means be used to preemptively register the
trademark of some reputation another person has used
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The opposition also cited Article 6bis (1) of the Paris Convention concerning protection for
well-known marks, which states:

The countries of the Union undertake, ex officio if their legislation so permits, or at the
request of an interested party, to refuse or to cancel the registration, and to prohibit the
use, of a trademark which constitutes a reproduction, an imitation, or a translation,
liable to create confusion, of a mark considered by the competent authority of the
country of registration or use to be well known in that country as being already the
mark of a person entitled to the benefits of this Convention and used for identical or
similar goods. These provisions shall also apply when the essential part of the mark
constitutes a reproduction of any such well-known mark or an imitation liable to create
confusion therewith

Shortly after filing the opposition to the Sam Optics application in Class 13, a second SAM
OPTICS application for the mark LEUPOLD in Class 9, for additional Goods manufactured
and sold by Leupold & Stevens, was published for opposition. Leupold & Stevens filed an
opposition against that application as well.

Leupold & Stevens had diligently filed to oppose both PRC applications for the mark
LEUPOLD, filed in bad faith by SAMOptics, and it had filed its own applications in the PRC
to protect its own Goods.

In October, 2005, the PRC Trade Mark Office refused Leupold & Stevens application for the
mark LEUPOLD: in November 2005, the PRC Trade Mark Office rejected Leupold &
Stevens opposition to the first SAM Optics application opposition on the following grounds:
that Leupold & Stevens did not own a registration or application for the mark LEUPOLD in
the PRC for the same Goods – which was incorrect; and, that the demonstration of trademark
registrations, sales and manufacturing volume, affidavits of fame of the mark, were
insufficient to prove that SAMOptics had filed in bad faith.

Leupold & Stevens is filing to appeal the rejection of its opposition to the SAM Optics mark
for LEUPOLD in Class 13. According to our counsel, we will not receive a decision for two
or three years. If Leupold & Stevens loses this final appeal, and if it loses its opposition
against the Class 9 Application for the LEUPOLD mark owned by Sam Optics, Leupold &
Stevens will have no recourse except either to pay whatever price SAM Optics sets for the
registrations it has obtained in bad faith or run the risk of being prosecuted for infringement of
its own mark, LEUPOLD, registered in China by SAM Optics.
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This is obviously just the type of Fraudulent Intent that numerous international conventions,
agreements and treaties have sought to prevent. China became a member of the World
Intellectual Property Organization in 1980. China acceded to the Paris Convention for the
protection of Industrial Property on November 14, 1984 and became an official member on
March 19, 1985. China acceded to theMadrid Agreement for the International Registration of
Trademarks on October 4, 1989 and to the Madrid Protocol on December 1, 1995. China
acceded to the Nice Agreement concerning the International Classification of Goods and
Services (ICGS) on August 9, 1994. China signed the Trademark Law Treaty (TLT) on
October 27, 1994. Finally, China has patterned its intellectual property law after The
Agreement on Trade-Related Aspects of Intellectual Property Rights (TRIPS).

While all of these efforts have contributed immensely to bringing China’s intellectual property
laws up to internationally accepted standards, a more basic question still remains: Do these
international agreements go into effect directly upon signing or are they only implemented
through the resulting domestic laws of those countries signing the agreements? In China’s
case, it appears to be the latter and it has been this translation or interpretation into domestic
law in China that the original intent of these international standards seems to break down.
What is possibly needed is stricter wording in these international agreements that treaty
provisions take precedence over domestic trademark law provisions, and these treaty
provisions must be incorporated exactly as enacted in the signed agreements.

It is clearly not ethical or acceptable that SAM Optics runs out and files trademarks in China
for 19 well know international brands of optical equipment with the sole intent being to extort
a ransom from those companies to purchase back trademarks which those companies
rightfully own by internationally accepted trademark standards. Furthermore, it is absolutely
not acceptable that China, after having agreed to these international standards, fails to
implement them into law or to correctly apply those trademark laws which it has
implemented. How can it be that after all of the work that has gone into setting these
international standards that Leupold and Stevens, Inc. cannot register and protect the
LEUPOLD trademark in China, even in the face of such a case of pure fraudulent intent by
SAM Optics?
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If Leupold loses control of the LEUPOLD trademark in China there are resulting potential
consequences that we are concerned about. Leupold sources many finished goods directly
from various manufacturers in China, including range finders and binoculars. If these goods
are stopped for inspection at a point of export from China, with the name LEUPOLD on them,
we are concerned that we may run the risk of being charged with attempting to illegally export
goods branded LEUPOLD, a trademark that we would not own in China. Ironically, we could
be viewed as the counterfeiter.

A similar concern exists in the fact that for some time there have been counterfeit goods
coming from China that are being sold on eBay as Leupold clones, replicas or knock-offs.
These products are marketed as being the same as Leupold tactical riflescopes but without the
Leupold name on them. Whereas a true Leupold tactical scope may retail for over $1000
(USD), these look-alikes will sell on eBay for about $100 (USD). There are several sellers
who apparently seem to be working out of the Hong Kong area.

Our concern is that if we lose control of the LEUPOLD trademark in China, these replica
riflescopes could legally begin to appear with our name on them and from all outward
appearances would look just like an original Leupold. Our Leupold tactical riflescopes are
built to meet the demanding requirements of our law enforcement officers and military
personnel. If these knock-offs are taken to be the real thing, which they definitely are not, they
could be mistakenly purchased either new or years from now as used equipment by customers
who mistakenly assume them to be genuine Leupold tactical riflescopes. What would happen
if these look-alikes then failed in the line of duty? This is a very grave scenario to say the least
and the potential ramifications on Leupold are substantial. Everything we have built over the
past century under the Leupold brand name would potentially be at risk.

I would like to conclude my testimony with a simple thought. Over 50 years ago, our
company’s founder, Markus Friederich Leupold declared that, “the customer is entitled to a
square deal.” That simple ideal has driven our company to always strive to do the right thing
and take care of our customers. Mr. Chairman, after you read all of the international
agreements, treaties and protocols, ask yourself a simple question…are American businesses
getting a square deal when it comes to intellectual property protection in China? I can tell you
that from Leupold’s perspective we definitely are not. Thank you verymuch.



Leupold & Stevens, Inc.
Mailing Address: P.O. Box 688, Beaverton, OR 97075-0688 U.S.A.
Shipping Address: 14400 N. W. Greenbrier Parkway, Beaverton, OR 97006-5790 U.S.A.
Tel: 503- 646-9171 Fax: 503 – 526-1455 Web: www.leupold.com
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"You get what you pay for"...

I prefer the slightly more cynical version:

"You get, AT MOST, what you pay for."
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eBay: Reviews & Guides

eBay has the following Reviews & Guides concerning counterfeit Chinese optics:

"Replica" or "Clone" Optics are cheap fakes

MILLETT counterfeit scope

Counterfeit- Leupold Mark 4 scopes and optics

Leupold Scope Counterfeit Warning

SCAM - SWAROVSKI SCOPE.
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fake Bushnell scopes

Dont buy form here found scopes from 3 main manufacturers American and European, clearly fakes....or worse

http://www.globalsources.com/gsol/I/...1000875173.htm

this link takes you to main site,,,,you have to search for the fakes....the scope on this link page is chineese made and not a copy....

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Millett Customer Warning


MILLETT CUSTOMER WARNING: COUNTERFEIT RIFLESCOPES
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Millett would like to warn our customers interested in purchasing Millett products on the internet. Currently there are counterfeit Millett riflescopes being imported from the Peoples Republic of China that bear the name, marks and packaging of genuine Millett scopes. These riflescopes may bear marks, logos, packaging and manuals that appear as Millett product brand making it difficult to distinguish genuine Millett from counterfeit product. These scopes are being sold through dealers located in China, though some may be imported to USA and sold by dealers located here. The quality of these counterfeit Millett riflescopes is often very inferior.

Millett USA has received these counterfeit scopes for service, under Millett's lifetime warranty, as these products are not manufactured by Millett and are in Trademark and often patent violation they are confiscated.
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How about we make a law which requires all products to list country of origin as well. Maybe that would help, though I'm not sure the newbies would not know that Leupolds don't come from China - they are U.S. made.
Leupolds aren't made in america any more.
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Leupold Lens: Made in Japan

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Leupolds aren't made in america any more.
You might want to read this thread: Where are these scopes made?? ... interesting information.
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Leupold's glass is made in Japan. They even say so.
However, I couldn't confirm the statement at the LEUPOLD website.
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