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Old 10-08-2019, 07:33 PM
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Not at all surprised at the 7.62x39 making the list, excellent carbines like CZs 527 and the Howa, Zastavas have become popular for short range use. Two of my last five Deer were taken at 220-225 yards with my CZ 527.


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Old 10-08-2019, 08:58 PM
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Two quotations from Townsend Whelan

"Only accurate rifles are interesting"
"The .30-06 is never a mistake"

And I will add that the .30-06 is available in a wider range of factory loadings than any other cartridge, and it is available almost everywhere in the world. It allows you to hunt anything. Pretty close to perfection.
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Old 10-08-2019, 09:21 PM
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This is very much like a Ford VS Chevy discussion. I started in Jr. High with a $29.95 03-A3 and surplus ammunition. I have had up to four 30-06s at one time. I don't hunt anymore but I still have two for gong and paper target duty. One is a T/C Encore 24", the other a Ruger #1B, I keep them because I like them. That is reason enough for me. If another caliber and rifle floats your boat, congratulations.
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Old 10-08-2019, 10:17 PM
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Not at all surprised at the 7.62x39 making the list, excellent carbines like CZs 527 and the Howa, Zastavas have become popular for short range use. Two of my last five Deer were taken at 220-225 yards with my CZ 527.


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What 7.62x39 ammo were you using? I've ordered half a dozen types for my 527 to see which one it likes best.
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Need more to go on... what was the topic/theme?

oh I wasn't paying that close attention! I think you pulled/shared some stuff about 'effective' rounds and (as I recall) you weren't surprised that the results showed there might be better options that the '06. Again I have a Ruger 77 in '06 and I only shoot it with 110-100 grain reduced recoil stuff a Neighbor loads for me. It's a kicker for sure as it is light! Again I have 3-5 CF rifles and I've only shot 2 of them in the last few years.
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But, buckweet, none of that takes away from this rifle which is special and would be special no matter what cartridge it's chambered for. <img src="https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/images/smilies/sthumb.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Blue Thumb" class="inlineimg" />[/QUOTE]




Thanks for the kind words.
Yes, it is special.
And you're right.. if it was in any other caliber..
It's still a very special rifle.
I'm looking up reloading data..
As posted above .. can load 30-30 loads.
But alot of the 06' ammo I have ,,is loaded for my M1Garand.
Which is NOT full power 30-06 loads.
This old Winny is not a lightweight.
Recoil is not terrible. Has a wide buttplate.
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You may not know that the models currently being produced have the controlled round feed in addition to very nice triggers.
Yup! I got one of those in 30-06 form, built in Portugal, had it built into a very fine 25-06 rifle.

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I've also read that the two most common complaints about the M1 in post-war studies was its weight and its recoil. I sometimes wonder if those asking for a lighter rifle realized that would mean even more recoil.
Really?

I know the M1 ("Garand") "kicks" less than the M1903. There's a study or three out there that shows the "recoil pulse" is broader on the M1, so the felt impact against the shoulder is less harsh.

I can shoot a M1 all day, the M1903 will leave bruises on my shoulder after one box of ~50 shots -- there's a visible difference.
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Old 10-08-2019, 11:19 PM
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Oh, don't get me wrong.... not saying it's unmanageable but why use a sledge hammer when a framing hammer will do? Who will argue that less recoil that still gets the job done is a bad thing?
For the same reason people drive a new Mustang GT when a 1979 AMC Pacer "will do" and get better gas mileage to boot!

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Gotta be true. I have rifles in all those chamberings!
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For the same reason people drive a new Mustang GT when a 1979 AMC Pacer "will do" and get better gas mileage to boot!







Gotta be true. I have rifles in all those chamberings!
And when you're done with Pacer you can turn it into a fish tank.

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For the same reason people drive a new Mustang GT when a 1979 AMC Pacer "will do" and get better gas mileage to boot!
Or the guy that drives a big F350 but has never hauled anything bigger than a couple of trash bags to the dump.

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Gotta be true. I have rifles in all those chamberings!
I don't have a 22-250 or either of the magnums on that list but czeched the rest of the blocks.
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Old 10-08-2019, 11:26 PM
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Love the 30-06 cartridge. Especially when it is loaded down and shooting a 110 gr bullet so the old bones can handle it.
Mine's a Remington 03A3 arsenal refurb with a scant stock. For warfighting turnbolt rifles, the 03A3 is hard to beat.

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I don't have a 22-250 or either of the magnums on that list but czeched the rest of the blocks.
The magnums can be fun at long range, but up to 500 meters, the '06 or the 308 are just fine. I need to sell my 7mm Mag; I just don't use it any more.

You should get someone who has a 22-250 to take you shooting some time. That cartridge is scary accurate in a good rifle. My first was a Remington XR-100 target rifle (single shot). It will shoot all day long into one hole at 100 meters with my handloads. My second was a 1979 700 Varmint Special I bought second hand that had been through the custom shop. It is not quite as accurate (it's a lot prettier), but it is a half minute of angle rifle out to about 300m. I have been banned from the local egg shoots because of these two rifles. And maybe it is because of the stock configuration an weights, but they seem to have even less recoil than an AR15.

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For the same reason people drive a new Mustang GT when a 1979 AMC Pacer "will do" and get better gas mileage to boot!



Gotta be true. I have rifles in all those chamberings!
Right tool for the right purpose.

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Old 10-09-2019, 06:10 AM
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I owned a .30-06 chambered Winchester 670 many years back for a couple of years, with a 4x Weaver Plainsman fixed scope in Weaver rings. I found it on a pawn shop rack and a just under $200 price tag was too much to resist. It was an outstanding gun, but my 1st love is the very similar .308 Winchester and when I had to sell a few guns to afford the doors on our home, the 670 went on to the gun show. Sorry to see it go, it shot very well with Winchester Silvertips.

Family history with a long owned gun is a value all its own, I hope when its handed down to the next generation, they appreciate it.

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