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Old 10-03-2019, 07:29 PM
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Here's why you don't shoot high velocity ammo in pre-war Marlin's.

Got to picture #4


https://www.gunbroker.com/item/825821440



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Old 10-03-2019, 07:31 PM
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Here's why you don't shoot high velocity ammo in pre-war Marlin's.

Got to picture #4


https://www.gunbroker.com/item/825821440



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Oh wow that doesn't look good.

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Old 10-04-2019, 06:07 AM
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What a shame.
Seller didn't disclose the bolt issue either.
It pays to look the pictures over carefully.
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Old 10-04-2019, 06:10 AM
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But but the seller didn't say anything at all about it! I'm shocked!
Moral of the story don't try and slip one past the Marlin Man!
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Old 10-04-2019, 08:50 AM
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The seller isn't hiding anything. They just aren't saying anything.

They may not even know that's not how it's supposed to look. I would be hesitant to even say that it's safe to shoot.
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Old 10-04-2019, 10:42 AM
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The seller isn't hiding anything. They just aren't saying anything.



They may not even know that's not how it's supposed to look. I would be hesitant to even say that it's safe to shoot.
Not good, and not safe. Another thing that many post on that site is that they call the 1891/1892 "takedown "!?

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Old 10-04-2019, 03:44 PM
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The seller isn't hiding anything. They just aren't saying anything.

They may not even know that's not how it's supposed to look. I would be hesitant to even say that it's safe to shoot.
Side gas eject!
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Old 10-04-2019, 04:43 PM
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Isn't that the visable check port to see if there's a round chambered?
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Old 10-04-2019, 05:16 PM
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When the rifle is being broken down the bolt can bind if it's forced all the way forward. Forcing the bound rifle can put substantial stress on the bolt in exactly that spot which is perfectly aligned with the takedown joint.
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Old 10-04-2019, 06:03 PM
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When the rifle is being broken down the bolt can bind if it's forced all the way forward. Forcing the bound rifle can put substantial stress on the bolt in exactly that spot which is perfectly aligned with the takedown joint.
That certainly makes sense. I don't see how shooting high velocity ammo would break a piece of the bolt off in that position.
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Old 10-04-2019, 06:06 PM
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That certainly makes sense. I don't see how shooting high velocity ammo would break a piece of the bolt off in that position.
That's all well and good, but the 1892 is a solid frame, not a takedown model. High velocity .22 rounds will and have broken bolts.

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Old 10-04-2019, 06:34 PM
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Ahhh. I only looked a #4 I see the back side is solid. So the side plate comes off on the ejection side? How would the bolt break in that spot? Blown case? I'd think the damage would be on the locking surfaces.
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Old 10-04-2019, 07:31 PM
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The only locking surface on that model is the front of the lever; the bolt has channels machined into it for the firing pin, extractor and lever so the bolts are the weakest link. Most of the broken ones I have seen broke a little further back. I wonder what the working pressure is for HV .22, I am going to look that up.

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Old 10-04-2019, 10:37 PM
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As mentioned the gun is a solid frame and that is not where the bolts break from using Hi-Speed loads. The piece that broke off is more cosmetic than anything, it fills in the round left from an end mill. It might help contain gas if a case ruptures but I'm not even sure it would do much then, the case is not near it and the extractor covers the part of the case at the extractor slot. I don't see how a ruptured case could produce enough pressure to break that part off, it looks like the under side of the bolt is open around the rim which would allow the gas to vent into the receiver and some could vent past the firing pin and extractor. The older centerfire Marlins actually had little reliefs milled in the bolt at the front to vent gas out the side if a case ruptured so it wouldn't vent back through the bolt.... so this gun might even be safer!

I think it more likely it got dropped on a hard floor, maybe it just bent and then broke off when trying to straighten it.

Here are some pictures of an early bolt compared to one for Hi-Speed.
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Old 10-05-2019, 10:28 AM
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SAV22,
Mea Culpa. You are 100% correct. I have a picture somewhere of the crack just behind the bolt face at the lever notch.

Brain fart on my part. Just proves I'm losing brain cells as I get older and am getting CRS.
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