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Old 09-19-2019, 07:10 PM
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Winchester 30-30, the old faithful.

Use Hornady XTP ammo with the soft point for greatly improved aerodynamics (and the pointy rounds are still perfectly safe in the tubular magazine. You extend the range and flatten the shots out to at least 250 yards with those bullets.

They'll make the rifle worth putting a scope on if you want one. They gave the 30-30 a whole new lease on life and all the new cartridges a run for the money!
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Old 09-19-2019, 07:41 PM
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A Long Ranger in 243 would be a great compromise for a handloader, light varmint bullets, heavier for deer. The plus to me is that it feeds from a magazine.
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I agree, the Henry or Browning in 243 would be nice, too.
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Old 09-19-2019, 08:03 PM
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For the budget you mentioned you can get a new Marlin in .30-30 or one in .35 Remington for just a little more. Either one will serve you great! .30-30 ammo you can find just about any where and will be more affordable.
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Old 09-19-2019, 08:12 PM
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I have all of the above. Hunt almost exclusively with a Winchester '94, .30-30. But a Marlin would be just fine. My Win is a late '60's version. Have never missed a deer in Tennessee woods. Shots from 50-150 yards. Only one shot each over period of 20 years. The price of these rifles has been increasing but a good one can be had reasonably. The .357, .44 and .45' s are good shooters but range should be kept to 75-100 yards.
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Old 09-19-2019, 08:54 PM
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Levers, levers, levers. Love them all ! I have many in a variety of calibers. I am fortunate enough to have a pre 64 Winchester that was handed down from my Dad. It is in 30/30 and has swiftly taken its fair share of deer. Since 30/30 ammo is readily available in many varieties it is a great choice. Either a used Winchester or Pre-remlin Marlin are frequently found in most local gun shops would fit within your budget. Both great choices. Marlins have the side ejection making a scope easier to add if you so desire. I also have a .44 magnum Winchester 1894 with a peep sight installed. A great, quick shouldering brush gun that is very effective on deer. If you do get one in a pistol caliber perhaps a sister sidearm will cross your path sometime? (hint hint) Anyway good luck in your search I know you will not be disappointed. Interested in your outcome let us know!
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Old 09-19-2019, 09:37 PM
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Pleasantly surprised to see so much love here for the venerable Savage 99; the best lever action rifle ever made! It would be difficult, but not impossible, to find a good one for $400 but other than that it really checks all of the boxes and the variety of available chamberings is as much as anyone could desire. Mine is in .300 Savage and can take down nearly any type of game on this continent.

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Old 09-19-2019, 11:46 PM
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If they made the 350 legend in a lever action id get that . I just have always wanted a lever action or at least always liked them I guess I should say..and while my eyes are not what they were just a few years ago I was thinking of starting off with peep sights of some sort either Skinner or the one/style back on the tang(Vernier???? or something close)

I wouldnt mind a bolt action but id rather go lever action i think. NOW....if between now and the time i get one I see a lever action .350 legend..for a decent price...that would be VERY tempting

And TY I was 90% sure I was going 30-30 just because a majority ive looked at locally and gunbroker have been 30-30 but id seen a local one..that was something like Winchester 32(or 35) special....and that was also in the price range and was local...so id not want to "turn down" a nice/decent local gun or even any gun just because it was a 45 Colt instead of a 30-30 lets say as a example..
If you want a tang mounted peep, you should try to shoot a rifle with that configuration before purchase. I found that the peep interferes with your grip (thumb) when shooting. I always wanted a model 94 set up like that until I got one - didn't like it. I did most of my hunting with a Savage Model 99 with a peep sight in .250-3000 and loved it.
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Old 09-20-2019, 05:34 AM
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Get a marlin 30/30. . I'm a former NY'er. I spent some time hunting western NY I think you would be best served with a 30/30 if you want a lever action. There are other choices like henry and browning the use higher power cartridges also. MY Dad used a Western Auto branded marlin 30/30 for years in the Catskills. He killed a bunch of deer and a few coyotes. He never felt that he need a different gun.
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Pleasantly surprised to see so much love here for the venerable Savage 99; the best lever action rifle ever made! It would be difficult, but not impossible, to find a good one for $400 but other than that it really checks all of the boxes and the variety of available chamberings is as much as anyone could desire. Mine is in .300 Savage and can take down nearly any type of game on this continent.

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Old 09-20-2019, 09:24 AM
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Have, or have had, most everything you mentioned in the original post, and then some.

The 30-30 is just dandy for Eastern Deer, grew up in Michigan and there were a million of them. Although my Dad was died in the wool .35 Rem. guy. Would pick the Marlin for the ease of a low mounted scope if that's your direction. And the $400 target is doable with some patience.

The Coyote factor however, brings a 99 Savage to mind in .250-3000, .243 Win, or .308. Love that 99 Savage, but you'll be hard pressed to find one in the $400 range.

Good luck with your search, sounds like a fun adventure.

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Old 09-22-2019, 12:52 AM
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Have, or have had, most everything you mentioned in the original post, and then some.

The 30-30 is just dandy for Eastern Deer, grew up in Michigan and there were a million of them. Although my Dad was died in the wool .35 Rem. guy. Would pick the Marlin for the ease of a low mounted scope if that's your direction. And the $400 target is doable with some patience.

The Coyote factor however, brings a 99 Savage to mind in .250-3000, .243 Win, or .308. Love that 99 Savage, but you'll be hard pressed to find one in the $400 range.

Good luck with your search, sounds like a fun adventure.

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Im thinking of keeping all my shots in the 0-150 range with 50-125 being optimal. right off I didnt plan on scoping it...I am now thinking of a receiver peep of some sort or the skinner sight..ive more or less narrowed it to 30-30 or .357 magnum ....at least for now.
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Good recommendations from all on the .30-.30, .32 Special, .35 Rem....especially as to the 100-150 yard max range you are expecting to shoot. However, if opportunities in the future to shoot other locations /terrain were to present themselves, you might want to consider a flatter shooting cartridge in a lever rifle designed for it. Over budget for sure, but either a Savage 99 in several calibers (.243 Win., .250 Savage (personal favorite in that rifle), 7mm-08 Rem., .284 Win., .300 Savage, .308 Win.). Or a Browning BLR or Winchester Model 88 in .243 or .308.; any of these would extend your ethical hunting range for whatever situation you might find yourself in.

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Old 09-22-2019, 11:54 AM
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If you want the facts/comparison of the rifles/cartridges here is the best info I have found. This is the real data. https://chuckhawks.com/handgun_rifle_cartridges.htm
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Nice article.According to Paul Harrel, on you tube, The 30/30 was maligned for years due to a ďmisprint ď on a comparative ballistic chart handed out to jr hunters by a national program. It gave it less FPS, etc than it really had. I donít know if this is true, but it certainly waned in popularity. I really liked my Marlin 336 a lot, great functionality, easily scoped, and inexpensive and tough enough to be a wood stock hunter.I donít hunt anymore, so I passed it along to my nephew, an avid hunter. At first , he was of the underpowered impression school, but when I showed him the numbers on a regular box of 30/ 30 then the numbers on a box of the Hornady Leverloution ammo , he quickly revised his opinion.

I still have my 1894 in 357, cause it is a great plinker, and a nice introduction to centerfire for new shooters. In some states all they let you hunt with is shotguns and pistol calibers and muzzle loaders and bows cause they are worried about the longe ranges of rifle caliber cartridges in high density areas.

Deer can live almost anywhere, right now there is a small herd living on my wooded lot adjacent to my home. I have to be careful when I turn in my driveway not to hit them. The like to eat my shrubs.
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As others have posted; Winchester 94 or Marlin 336, in .30-30.

.357 magnum or .44 magnum are fine for shots at 80 yards or less, but if you need something over 100 yards, they lose energy to rapidly.

Also, the .30-30 (as others posted), using the 160 grain Hornady FTX bullet, turns the .30-30 into a viable 225-250 yard cartridge, since you now have a higher velocity round, with a Pointed bullet that retains velocity better than the flat-nosed "standard' .30-30 load.

Be aware if you do decide to go the .30-30 route, and you use the Hornady FTX load, you may need to add a taller front sight to your rifle. I had to add a taller sight to my Pre-64 Win 94, because the hornady rounds hit about 10 inches higher at 100 yards, compared to standard 170 grain loads.
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