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Old 09-16-2019, 10:00 AM
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Thinking about a lever action for Deer/Coyote



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Ok Been wanting to get a rifle for PA/NY White Tail Deer and Coyotes. Looking used under $400 and I think id like to get a lever action...probably a Marlin 336 or Winchester 94..im guessing 30-30 probably though on another forum I had been told to also look at .357 & .44 magnum and .45 long Colt.

I have only ever shot one lever action back in the later to mid 1980's a Marlin 30-30...thats it..would you just stick to 30-30 (all shots 200 yards or less) or would you consider any of the other calibers and keep shots to 125 and under??

For Deer its woods and rolling hills/fields..in the years i did hunt hunting in WNY was shotgun only and I never took a shot over 75 yards and just a few times ever I remember thinking I wish I knew I could hit that deer at 120 yards or so... for Coyotes it would be hunting with calling into range..

And since i dont know anyone that has a lever action thats not a 30-30 is there any significant recoil difference in the others .44 Magnum, .357 magnum, .45 or others..im NOT looking for a thumper that has more recoil than the 30-30 thats for sure...anything 30-30 or under recoil wise is fine..I considered the 30-30 pretty soft recoiling...under that even better....
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Old 09-16-2019, 10:28 AM
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I have a Model 94 Trapper, that's the shorter barrel models, in 357 and 44, for close range I'm sure they'd be fine, but for what you described, I'd go 30-30.
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Old 09-16-2019, 11:31 AM
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I would also go with the 30-30, the others will do the job just fine but the 30-30 will have a bit flatter trajectory. The Marlin is easier to scope that the 94 unless its a late model AE. If i was keeping irons I would go with a 94, should just about have your pick in the 400 range.
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Old 09-16-2019, 11:45 AM
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I have a Model 94 Trapper, that's the shorter barrel models, in 357 and 44, for close range I'm sure they'd be fine, but for what you described, I'd go 30-30.
I have used lever actions in 30-30 and .357 to hunt whitetail deer. Better performance from the 30-30 at ranges from 25 to 150yds. I agree with the above post.
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Old 09-16-2019, 12:14 PM
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I have the Marlin and Win. as well as an old Savage 99 . Any of the calibers would work at the ranges you spoke of . To me the only scoped lever actions that look right are the Savage 99's . Iron sights on the others for me, no matter what chambering Just my thoughts . WJR
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Old 09-16-2019, 12:23 PM
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I have a 44 mag handgun and shot a deer at a measured 77 yards. The XTP bullet did the job leaving a large exit hole and the deer probably only went 10 yards from where hit. I have since then purchased a Marlin 1894 lever rifle now that we are able to use a rifle with straight wall cases. Haven't used it yet but am very confident that it will do the job at reasonable distances. The 30-30 is tried and proven but the 44 mag is no slouch.
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Old 09-16-2019, 12:41 PM
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Go with the .30-30.
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Old 09-16-2019, 12:48 PM
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I hunted white tail deer for 20 years in NE PA with a Winchester 94 in 30.30 and never missed taking a dear in each year. It is rare to get a shot out past 100 yards in that terrain. A friend recently took a 200 lb. deer in North FLA with a Marlin 336 in 44 Magnum at 120 yards and I was shocked how impressive that round is in a carbine. Double lung shot was devastating and dropped that deer right where he stood. I now hunt deer with a Howa Mini bolt action in 7.62X39 which appears to be roughly equal to the 30.30 balistically and a bit more accurate in a bolt action with Hornady SST ammo. Any of these guns will do the job you describe.
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Not doubting the 30-30 choice.. I had one.. my Dad had one and he took MANY critters with it. But, what say you Gents about the new 350 Legend? Anybody have one? Realizing this for now is a Bolt Action or AR Platform round I hesitate bringing this up/not what the OP was questioning about so I digress (apologies up-front) .. if the OP wants a Lever action the 30-30 is a great plan... if open-minded to a Bolt action I wonder if this new 350 Legend is a better option.. ?

https://www.chuckhawks.com/win_350_legend.html

A quote from another source about the 350 Legend.. " Winchester claims the cartridge has 20 percent more penetration and 20 percent less recoil than the .243 Winchester"
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Old 09-16-2019, 02:28 PM
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Not doubting the 30-30 choice.. I had one.. my Dad had one and he took MANY critters with it. But, what say you Gents about the new 350 Legend? Anybody have one? Realizing this for now is a Bolt Action or AR Platform round I hesitate bringing this up/not what the OP was questioning about so I digress (apologies up-front) .. if the OP wants a Lever action the 30-30 is a great plan... if open-minded to a Bolt action I wonder if this new 350 Legend is a better option.. ?

https://www.chuckhawks.com/win_350_legend.html

A quote from another source about the 350 Legend.. " Winchester claims the cartridge has 20 percent more penetration and 20 percent less recoil than the .243 Winchester"
If they made the 350 legend in a lever action id get that . I just have always wanted a lever action or at least always liked them I guess I should say..and while my eyes are not what they were just a few years ago I was thinking of starting off with peep sights of some sort either Skinner or the one/style back on the tang(Vernier???? or something close)

I wouldnt mind a bolt action but id rather go lever action i think. NOW....if between now and the time i get one I see a lever action .350 legend..for a decent price...that would be VERY tempting

And TY I was 90% sure I was going 30-30 just because a majority ive looked at locally and gunbroker have been 30-30 but id seen a local one..that was something like Winchester 32(or 35) special....and that was also in the price range and was local...so id not want to "turn down" a nice/decent local gun or even any gun just because it was a 45 Colt instead of a 30-30 lets say as a example..
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I use the Marlin 1894 in .44 magnum for deer and it drops them right where they stand.
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To me the only scoped lever actions that look right are the Savage 99's . WJR

I took a lot of deer with my olde 300 Savage and my dad with his Savage 303 British. Variety, the spice of life.
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Ok Been wanting to get a rifle for PA/NY White Tail Deer and Coyotes. Looking used under $400 and I think id like to get a lever action...probably a Marlin 336 or Winchester 94..im guessing 30-30 probably though on another forum I had been told to also look at .357 & .44 magnum and .45 long Colt.

I have only ever shot one lever action back in the later to mid 1980's a Marlin 30-30...thats it..would you just stick to 30-30 (all shots 200 yards or less) or would you consider any of the other calibers and keep shots to 125 and under??

For Deer its woods and rolling hills/fields..in the years i did hunt hunting in WNY was shotgun only and I never took a shot over 75 yards and just a few times ever I remember thinking I wish I knew I could hit that deer at 120 yards or so... for Coyotes it would be hunting with calling into range..

And since i dont know anyone that has a lever action thats not a 30-30 is there any significant recoil difference in the others .44 Magnum, .357 magnum, .45 or others..im NOT looking for a thumper that has more recoil than the 30-30 thats for sure...anything 30-30 or under recoil wise is fine..I considered the 30-30 pretty soft recoiling...under that even better....
I don't know how large deer are up there, but for a combination deer / varmint lever gun, the Savage 99 in .250 Savage would probably work well. The hard part would be finding one at that price point - Savage 99s often go for more than that.

Ditto for the Browning BLR rifles, price is well above the desired price point.

The 30-30 will do just fine. Good luck finding your new rifle.
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I have the Marlin and Win. as well as an old Savage 99 . Any of the calibers would work at the ranges you spoke of . To me the only scoped lever actions that look right are the Savage 99's . Iron sights on the others for me, no matter what chambering Just my thoughts . WJR
I'm with you there, and as a side note please get one (Savage) that was factory made for a scope mount and don't butcher a nice receiver by adding holes. The factory receivers made for scopes have the markings moved so they are easily seen when the scope is mounted. I have three Savage 99's (well two 99's and one 1899) The 1899 is in 303 Savage (not British) and one is in 300 Savage and one in .308 Winchester. They are great lever action rifles and perfect for deer if you do your part. 250 Savage is also a nice choice for what your are going after, just not sure how many are out there for sale.
Pricing is probably in the $500-600 dollar range at this point (I think I paid about $475 for my last one a few years ago) but may be higher for nicer rifle. If you find one that was drilled and tapped for a scope (versus factory made for a scope) the price should be lower because of the 'damage' to the original receiver.
Good luck to you!
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For 'yotes around here, Marlins in 357 Mag stuffed with 125 gr SJHP are considered the bee's knees. A bit light for deer though.
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