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Old 08-22-2019, 01:02 AM
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I purchased a 617 as my understudy for my 686+ that I carry and have already shot over 1000 rounds through it all in double action. My forearms are getting to look like Popeye's.

I normally shoot Aguila or CCI ammo without a problem or misfire through all the rounds I have shot. Out of the revolver this ammo has been 100% reliable. I was wondering if anyone here owning a 617 ever use the cheap bulk ammo and still have all rounds fire with the bulk ammo or do you encounter reliability issues as one would with a semi-auto pistol.

Am not really interested in accuracy as it would be used just for double action shooting, to strengthen and improve muscle memory.
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Old 08-22-2019, 07:12 AM
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So far, my 617 ignites anything I've fed it, including Federal Champion bulk, Black Box, and AutoMatch. Most importantly, it seems to love CCI Blazer, which is both reliable and accurate. Occasionally the Champion will have a FTF but not more than it does in other firearms.
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Old 08-22-2019, 07:21 AM
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In the "How Low Can You Go" game of ammo price and quality, the only ammunition that has been a problem in my 617 has been a brand called UltraMaxx or MaxxTech, which I think is Czech bulk ammo. The cases expanded and were hard to eject, often requiring a cleaning rod to tap them out. Also, the case heads would back out slightly, fouling the rotation of the 627's cylinder. Used in rimfire rifles, the stuff has caused other problems. I wouldn't take a bulk pack of UltraMaxx for free (or shoot more of it on a dare in any of my firearms) at this point, as several of the jams it has caused have been quite tricky to address.

Everything else that I have put through my 617 has worked great. It shoots Federal Automatch particularly well, but also CCI-SV, Aguila SE, Federal Bulk Pack (blue), Remington Golden Bullets, CCI .22 shorts, etc.

I know you said that you aren't shooting for accuracy, but my 4-inch 617 has been superbly accurate.



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Old 08-22-2019, 07:42 AM
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Both my 617s shoot everything - one thing I like about revolvers
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Old 08-22-2019, 08:42 AM
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My 617s will also shoot anything, even Collibiri's.

Like flangster, my 617s are extremely accurate.

As an aside, add a Henry lever action 22 to the mix and you have a couple of firearms that will shoot any 22 ammo out there.
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Old 08-22-2019, 09:21 AM
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My 617 shoots anything, a great thing about a revolver. I was using CCI Blazer, which runs great, but got the gun pretty dang dirty. I am now using CCI SV (I can use the SV in my Model 41 and Buckmark) and I find it far cleaner than Blazer. But the 617 will eat up anything you put in it if that is your main goal.
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I use Federal 550 Bulk pack in all my 22's. I do not remember ever having a misfire in my 617.
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My 617 has shot Automatch and Blazers without incident, though I prefer to feed it CCI SV for easier clean-up. As far as offhand accuracy is concerned I can't say it matters.
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@flangster, do not misunderstand me, my 617 is very very accurate and frankly was quite surprised. When I practice just double action only it is about just the trigger control so that is why I was asking about bulk ammo, but when I practice for accuracy I stick to CCI or Aguila.

I have noticed that with some of the CCI or Aguila the cases on occasion expand making it difficult to eject the spent cases but my fix for this is too put a .380 or 9mm case over the push rod and gently but firmly push hard with your hand. Putting the spent case over the push rod keeps from hurting your hand when you have to push a little extra hard.

But thanks for the heads up on the UltraMaxx and I will avoided. My sister gave me a few boxes of the Winchester 333 so I'll give it a try for my double action practice.

Everyone else thanks for your input and I will try some of the ammo you all have mentioned.
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I purchased a 617 as my understudy for my 686+ that I carry
Ever thought of reloading? It doesn't cost much more to shoot cast loads with Bullseye or 231 to practice with your carry gun.
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Ever thought of reloading? It doesn't cost much more to shoot cast loads with Bullseye or 231 to practice with your carry gun.
I do reload and practice with the same full power loads I carry, either the 140 HP-XTP's or the 158 grainers, load all of the rounds just under max load but not max. Recoil on this gun even though it is heavy is very stout and becomes a little painful after 100 rounds. Thus the reason I shoot double action only on the 617 several hundred rounds each range session twice a week. Keeps the muscles strong and helps with endurance.
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Ever thought of reloading? It doesn't cost much more to shoot cast loads with Bullseye or 231 to practice with your carry gun.
It's hard to hand load .38s for a nickle a piece or even less if you buy bulk ammo. You are lucky if you can load them for .10 or .12 each.
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Old 08-23-2019, 04:50 PM
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I pretty much shoot my 617 in double action all the time, it really has made my pistol craft so much better because I focus on trigger control.
So far it has not had any failure of any kind and I use mostly CCI products(Blazer, Minimag) and Aguila Colibres.
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617 Double Action Practice

I shoot a stock S&W 14 for PPC in the stock revolver class and use my 17 and 617 as understudies. Both 17 and 617 will shoot anything, but use mostly bulk Federal with the copper washed bullets because chambers stay cleaner for longer periods. I love my Smiths and their great double action triggers!!!
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My 617 with a C-More red dot sight with 12 minute of angle dot Hogue grips and Hogue cylinder release and Apex Tactical Oversized hammer and springs. The double action is set at 6 1/2 pounds and shoots everything.

One of it's favorites is Blazer. 100% reliability. Group shown is with CCI-SV.
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