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Old 08-16-2019, 07:29 PM
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Limited budget: Nelson conversion or Ruger Mk IV 22/45?



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Hey guys, I haven't had a .22 pistol for a number of years, I've run Rugers and 1911-22 conversions in the past. I still have a couple of nice 1911's that could host the Nelson (have already talked with them and measured mine for fit--should be g2g).

Question for those who have used both: If you have the budget to buy either one but not both, which one would you lean towards if your main criteria were accuracy and reliable function? No plans to trick this all out and use as a match pistol, beyond informal local range matches.

* The Ruger Mk IV 22/45 (with Volquartsen accurizing kit)
* The Nelson .22 conversion (as-is, hosted on my custom Springfield which already has a nice C&S 3.5 lb trigger)
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Old 08-16-2019, 07:52 PM
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I would go with the conversion IF you want to dedicate the gun as a 1911 .22. I dislike swapping top ends with a .45 just to shoot .22s, and then putting the gun back as a .45/9mm/.38 Super, et al. That is why I have a dedicated 1911 .22 with a Ciener top end.

The 1911 guns disassemble/reassemble very easily. Reassembly on a Ruger is not much fun unless you have a knack for it. Don't ask me how I know...

A 1911 can almost be taken down and put back up with eyes closed. Not so the Ruger.

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Old 08-16-2019, 10:41 PM
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All I can say is that I LOVE my Nelson conversion on my S&W Pro Series frame! Excellent!!
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Old 08-16-2019, 10:48 PM
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Yep. I will admit that at the outset of this discussion, I'm more inclined to get the Nelson simply for three reasons:

1. I love shooting my 1911's, have a lot of experience on that platform, and it would be such a delight to be able to shoot .22lr on that platform.
2. Proven accuracy. I know you CAN accurize the 22/45, but honestly, you hear mixed reports all the time, and it takes a TON of add-ons from barrels, trigger kits, etc (and even more so if you buy a fancy custom Volquartsen upper or barrel). Whereas the Nelson is a proven tack driver--virtually everyone who has one says so--and it comes ready to go without further mods needed, for around $500.
3. Didn't completely love the 22/45 operating system and trigger with the last one I owned. And that was even after spending significant time/$$$ customizing it. But maybe they've improved the trigger, etc., overwhelmingly between MK III and MK IV versions? Trying to keep an open mind.
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Old 08-16-2019, 11:33 PM
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I have both, and love both. Although my 22/45 is a MKIII, not a MKIV. If you are happy with the 1911 lower and just want add on the Nelson upper with no other mods or tinkering, which is kinda what you stated, then go with the Nelson and be done. If you want a project, which I think is not the case based on your post, then go with the Ruger. Even though the MKIVs are MUCH easier to take apart than the MKIII, there will most likely still be mods to make.

Personally, I like the projects, I have a hard time leaving well enough alone. My MKIII is heavily modified and it was a lot of fun.

On the other hand my dedicated 1911 22Lr, S&W lower and Nelson upper, was boring since no mods were needed, but as stated it is a tack driving great shooting pistol.

Based on your comments, looks like the Nelson is the way to go.
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Old 08-17-2019, 11:15 AM
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I have had both. If you are a 1911 guy I'd go with the Nelson. The 22/45 has the grip angle correct but it doesn't feel like a 1911.
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Old 08-17-2019, 02:17 PM
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I have had both. If you are a 1911 guy I'd go with the Nelson. The 22/45 has the grip angle correct but it doesn't feel like a 1911.
You find that one was more accurate than the other? If they are similar in accuracy, what did you have to do to the Ruger to get it there?
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Old 08-18-2019, 06:07 PM
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Every pistol conversion kit I owned morphed into a complete gun with a dedicated frame. Given a choice between a Nelson and Ruger 22/45 Mk IV Id take the Nelson. My project would be building a frame to go with the Nelson but that is just me.
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Old 08-18-2019, 06:13 PM
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You find that one was more accurate than the other? If they are similar in accuracy, what did you have to do to the Ruger to get it there?
The Nelson on a decent lower will outshoot any stock MK series. Do the VQ accuracy kit on the Ruger and they will be a little closer. Quite frankly I wouldn't do much more than a trigger on a MK IV unless it was for competition shooting. After a couple hundred dollars your into the same price as a Nelson.
However, the Ruger will eat a lot of different ammo including high velocity stuff. I bought the Ruger for that reason. I bought the Nelson for Bullseye competition and it shoots best with better quality standard velocity. Turns out it worked pretty well for shooting steel too.
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Old 08-18-2019, 08:25 PM
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The Nelson on a decent lower will outshoot any stock MK series. Do the VQ accuracy kit on the Ruger and they will be a little closer. Quite frankly I wouldn't do much more than a trigger on a MK IV unless it was for competition shooting. After a couple hundred dollars your into the same price as a Nelson.
However, the Ruger will eat a lot of different ammo including high velocity stuff. I bought the Ruger for that reason. I bought the Nelson for Bullseye competition and it shoots best with better quality standard velocity. Turns out it worked pretty well for shooting steel too.
What's your trigger pull weight with the VZ on the Mk 4?
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Old 08-18-2019, 08:42 PM
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What's your trigger pull weight with the VZ on the Mk 4?
IIRC in the 2lb range. It wasn't my favorite. I like a good 1911 trigger better.

edit to add - I've owned 4 different MK series pistols over the years and in the long haul haven't kept any of them. I've also owned a S&W model 41, a Benelli 95, a CZ Kadet and thousands of rounds of experience with a S&W victory. While they were all great guns none of them fit me like a good 1911. After a while it's all about ergonomics, at least for me.

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Old 08-19-2019, 06:46 PM
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Well in the end, despite my earlier comments leaning toward the Nelson, I decided to go with a Mk IV 22/45.

Some of the comments here got me thinking about pros/cons of each. Short version is I have 2 nicely configured 1911's but don't want to get into adding more, nor buying a 'kit 1911' and then building up just to host a .22 conversion. I don't shoot .22 competition, this is just for training, range fun, and plinking, so I want to keep total cost under control.

Ordered a Mk IV, will just shoot it for a while, then possibly upgrade the trigger only. Wouldn't ever bother with upgrading barrels/uppers etc., unless I got into comps and had a need for extreme accuracy.
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Old 08-27-2019, 10:22 PM
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i think you made a good choice , if you are not going to dedicate a lower to the conversion you start kicking yourself each time you make the switch either way , i dedicated a lower to my conversion , and i kept my SIG 1911-22 , i left my other 1911s as is to shoot ,

BTW my son's significant bought the mkIV 22/45 and i really liked it as well , it shoots great and feels like a 1911 to me
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Old 09-01-2019, 06:22 PM
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BTW my son's significant bought the mkIV 22/45 and i really liked it as well , it shoots great and feels like a 1911 to me
Is that with a VQ trigger upgrade, or stock?
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