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Old 08-02-2019, 08:10 AM
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Kinda like buying a stock Chevy Chevelle. You just can't leave it alone.
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Old 08-02-2019, 10:42 AM
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I'm not bashing Ruger. They make great guns but they never improved the 10/22. So now others are doing it.

--SSaigol
I agree completely. I owned an early TD model, that I traded for an Anniversary model, that I later traded toward a 15-22. I couldn't deal with the lack of modern features. It'd be one thing if they were amazingly accurate, to help smooth over some of the shortcomings of the aged design. But in reality, despite all the fuss around 15-22's poor accuracy, mine actually shoots better than either of my two 10/22's did. Now, I'm not stating that the 15-22 has more accuracy "potential," just my experience between these factory stock rifles.

Having said all that, I just received a CSC 10/22. It seems to be a good effort from Ruger to modernize their old design. But most importantly, if mine shoots as small as what others have been posting, I can live without a last round automatic bolt catch. If it doesn't shoot, it'll be sold.

Since it was discussed earlier in this thread... The BX trigger is far better than the standard trigger, but still not a good trigger. Probably adequate for people who don't obsess about gun stuff. Though, not adequate for me (trigger snob).
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Old 08-02-2019, 01:01 PM
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Since it was discussed earlier in this thread... The BX trigger is far better than the standard trigger, but still not a good trigger. Probably adequate for people who don't obsess about gun stuff. Though, not adequate for me (trigger snob).
Exactly. If you can't shoot with a BX trigger... The problem isn't the trigger.
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I had a Buddy drop off a New one with me last week.. said it had about 20 rounds thru it.. said "the Damb thing won't load a round outta the mag without hiccups.. and then it won't extract/eject even if a round goes in".. I tested it with several mags and sure enough it seems to be a Turd. I had to sight in a couple of other rifles so I took it to the range and sure enough.. it's a Turd. So, I then went thru it.. cleaning/scrubbing everything.. did the Crotchbrite treatment.. radiused the rear of the OEM bolt and replaced the POS OEM charging handle with a KIDD unit.. cleaned it all again and hit everything with Hornady One Shot Dry Lube and proceeded to dry run 50 rounds in 5 diff. mags flawlessly. They do need help right out of the box for sure.. some a little and some a bunch! They are indeed a starter kit. Like a Small Block Cheby engine to a Race Car enthusiast.
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Old 08-02-2019, 03:21 PM
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In my limited experience there is some variability between individual 10/22s and also 10/22 models. I have a Collector's series from 2015 that has a better fit and finish and a nicer trigger than my friend's circa 2010 black plastic stock carbine.
If possible inspect the gun you're buying for sight alignment, barrel alignment etc.
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Old 08-03-2019, 01:24 AM
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Guys how are the new Ruger 10/22s? Are they a junk gun cheapened out, or reliable and dependable? As accurate as they used to be? Looking to buy a wooden stock carbine model from Wal-Mart. Thoughts?

For those of you who are 10/22 fans, I do not apologize for the following:

To say Ruger 10/22 rifles are not as good as they used to be is not saying much. I owned one back in the late 70s' for all of one month before I gave it away with a promise that the new owner would never speak to me about it, ever.

I sold them, (or, more accurately I tried not to sell them), for the better part of 40 years and never heard anyone praise their ability to maintain consistent accuracy, and often cursed them for a noticeable lack of accuracy.

Any firearm that you need to replace half the firearm to get it to shoot an acceptable group is not worth the money.

For example:

I was on a range a dozen years ago when a Boy Scout troop was trying to get some scouts their shooting merit badges.

One Dad had bought four 10/22s' on the advice of a [Walmart?] employee, and CCI Mini-Mags, and not one of them would shot well enough to make score.

I tried to help by checking bedding, sight alignment, and even shooting my Federal and Eley Match ammo, and still no-go to score for merit badges.

I then let them shoot my 1950s' Martini match rifle, a 1940s' Savage bolt action, and a 1950s' Remington bolt action, with their CCI ammo, and every scout shot the X ring out of their targets.

Nope, there is no way I would ever suggest anyone buy a Ruger 10/22 unless they just want to throw away their money...
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Old 08-03-2019, 07:56 PM
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I have around 50 .22 rifles, including 18 Ruger 10/22s. I like to tinker with my firearms, so swapping barrels, stocks, and triggers on 10/22s doesn't seem like a big deal to me. It would be great if they'd all shoot sub-MOA straight out of the box, but few rifles do.

I guess that I've been luckier than most 'cause I've only had a hand full of really crappy rifles.
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No Stan, that’s what most of us have experienced, the rest is just sour grapes
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Guys how are the new Ruger 10/22s? Are they a junk gun cheapened out, or reliable and dependable? As accurate as they used to be? Looking to buy a wooden stock carbine model from Wal-Mart. Thoughts?

For those of you who are 10/22 fans, I do not apologize for the following:

To say Ruger 10/22 rifles are not as good as they used to be is not saying much. I owned one back in the late 70s' for all of one month before I gave it away with a promise that the new owner would never speak to me about it, ever.

I sold them, (or, more accurately I tried not to sell them), for the better part of 40 years and never heard anyone praise their ability to maintain consistent accuracy, and often cursed them for a noticeable lack of accuracy.

Any firearm that you need to replace half the firearm to get it to shoot an acceptable group is not worth the money.

For example:

I was on a range a dozen years ago when a Boy Scout troop was trying to get some scouts their shooting merit badges.

One Dad had bought four 10/22s' on the advice of a [Walmart?] employee, and CCI Mini-Mags, and not one of them would shot well enough to make score.

I tried to help by checking bedding, sight alignment, and even shooting my Federal and Eley Match ammo, and still no-go to score for merit badges.

I then let them shoot my 1950s' Martini match rifle, a 1940s' Savage bolt action, and a 1950s' Remington bolt action, with their CCI ammo, and every scout shot the X ring out of their targets.

Nope, there is no way I would ever suggest anyone buy a Ruger 10/22 unless they just want to throw away their money...


Just simply buy a 10)22 from wherever world..
Send to Randy at CPC..
Done.
Superb accuracy.
Reliable..
And great fun, to outshoot just about everything else out there
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Old 08-04-2019, 02:29 PM
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i guess i have had good luck, other than accuracy of out of the box stuff. after cleaning, and lube they have all run fine. i have only had 2 untouched barrels over the years that have shot well, one is on a completely stock carbine from 1977, and the other is a stainless carbine barrel i got from 10ring1 a couple of years ago. it shoots great for a stock one, and its been chopped at the muzzle and threaded. as far as reliability, my 1972 made marlin 60 is far more ammo picky than any of my 10/22s when it comes to reliability. that being said, stock for stock, that 60 shoots better (averages .30" ctc groups at 25y with mini mags) than most average ootb carbine barrels i have had, but doesnt shoot as well as a 10/22 carbine barrel that has been rechambered/crowned. and it doesnt shoot as well as that old carbine barrel my buddy has or my stainless carbine barrel.

IMO, no matter what semi auto .22 rifle you are shooting, you probably wont get 100% reliability if you are running cheap ammo. i think that is something most of us already know, and anyone who is going to go pick up a new rifle, and a brick of the cheapest bulk ammo, and go to the range without cleaning it or lubing it properly, they are going to have issues. mostly you hear about it with the 10/22, i would assume because far more of them are sold.

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Old 08-11-2019, 08:32 AM
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If my experience is typical, "No, they're not junk"
I have tinkered with about 3 builds. Found a walnut stocked older model some years back and put a GM .920 on it, trigger, buffer, etc. I just bought a new plastic stocked 50th Anniversary NIB, put a Kidd trigger kit in, crothcbrite the receiver, homemade buffer, and mounted an old Millett red dot. I got crazy lucky and the dot was spot on. That little rifle is great. Yes, I want to put a Magpull on it, but for the money... new ones are just as good as the oldies.....
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Old 08-11-2019, 11:16 AM
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I've had a LOT of 22's. Out of the box, the 10/22's have been the least accurate and least reliable... but especially least accurate. I could take a handful of guns to the range, and they could all reliably shoot empty 12 ga shotgun shells off a fence... except for the 10/22's. And yes, this was with cheap ammo. The other guns seemed to shoot it a lot better than the Rugers.

The 10/22's in question were a 1998 carbine and a 2010-ish stainless carbine. Neither could hit the broad side of a barn compared to a Marlin 60 that was there the same day, as well as an old Savage, a Remington 552 and an old Marlin bolt action... so the Rugers became safe queens.

After a little research, I bought a new ER Shaw 20" Bull barrel for the stainless carbine. This made the gun a LOT more accurate, but would start jamming after less than 50 rounds. Cases would stick in the chamber and not extract. Clean the crap out of it, and it would do the exact same thing.... and it became a safe queen once again.

Found this site and read about CPC. Sent the stainless gun with the ER Shaw barrel to him, and it came back RIGHT! Gun was more accurate than it ever was, and ran like a Swiss Watch! Ended up sending the 1998 carbine as well. He recommended swapping the old barrel for a newer carbine barrel he had there... and it's now super accurate, and runs perfectly.

Out of the box, the 10/22's are the least accurate 22's I've ever owned... but sending them to CPC takes care of all of the issues. Bought four other 10/22's, and sent them all to CPC... some brand new before even firing a single shot.

WHY do I support Ruger in buying inferior guns for more than it costs to buy something more accurate... only to spend another $200 or so to send it off to get everything fixed? I'm still asking myself that same question. lol
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You, the buyer, set the price point.

You, want the least expensive rifle you can get.

Ruger delivered. What is your problem??<img src="https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)" class="inlineimg" />

The Ruger 10/22 was first available in 1964 for $49.95..........

When adjusted for inflation the would be today: $414.06

Stop asking what happened to quality............... YOU are not willing to spend $414.06 plus tax for any 10/22 today.
Just so happens that the LVT and T models were well over $300.00 and most have reported very good function and accuracy.
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I think they got best in 2008 thru 2014 and now they are still better than older rifles...
I finally got my 10-22 DSP in about 2010, and it was nice-looking, reliable and accurate... much smaller groups than the 3" at 50 yards mentioned! If indeed they got "better" in the time frame noted, I guess I may have unknowingly won the lottery.

Was it perfect? NOPE!

Put a scope on it, (70 y.o eyes.) and installed a VQ sear, which brought the trigger pull down from what would lift my 6 lb puppy off the floor, attached to his harness, to 2 3/4 lbs. (He thought it was great fun, and he got treats afterward.) The sear was about half the co$t of the BX trigger, and imo, the rifle doesn't need more.

While it was apart, in the True Spirit of Never Leaving Well-Enough Alone, I did the bolt hold-open mod and radiused the rear of the bolt...slightly less than shown in the sticky somewhere on the forums, added a bolt buffer and polished the internals slightly.

Minimal modifications, and it feeds everything from Standard Velocity to Velocitors without a bobble. I am satisfied!

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Old 08-12-2019, 06:55 PM
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If you're going to play, you're going to pay. Buying the upgrades brings the performance level to what you get for the $$$$$. Think Cooper or Annie...

You can spend more out of the box and get instant gratification or, tinker with a 10/22, polish on it, figure out what improvements suit your needs and taste (and read) CUSTOMIZE it. It doesn't make them junk. I have had a few of them, and haven't had a lemon.

Maybe the Marlin 60 is a better deal out of the box. Not nearly the options available for them. I don't care for them. Never have. Not interested.

Too many options with the 10/22. You either work with what is there stock, or make it better with the accessories. I may end up with about what I could get for the same money out of the box with some other "higher" grade .22, but tinkering with it gives me the satisfaction of the hobby...

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