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Old 06-16-2019, 01:29 PM
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I picked one of these up yesterday. Looks and feels like a full sized centerfire rifle. Serial number in the 0097XX range, and no asterisk. It is in nice shape, but apart at the moment for a thorough cleaning and look-see. Anything other than the recall to be aware of?

I'll post a pic once I get it back together.
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Old 06-16-2019, 03:00 PM
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I was lucky to find a new M490 in a gunshop in 1979.

I really like mine; nice walnut, decent weight (steel receiver), very accurate, fairly reliable, decent trigger once I polished it.

Unfortunately they don't seem to be very popular with collectors, at least that is my impression.
I've fired mine thousands of times so don't care about collector value.

I never sent mine in for the recall so no asterisk. Someone somewhere had one that doubled when dirty so they had to mod all of them... I keep mine clean and don't worry.

I really like mine and will keep it forever, but discovered the 10/22 five years ago and prefer shooting them. That 490 doesn't compare to the beauty of the stainless international or accuracy of my LVT or Target models. JMO.

Edited to add info: When the 490 was new, in mid '70s, it was designed to look like the CF model 100 rifle. Looks almost the same but why??
At that time WW also had the M190 (really cheap) and M290 (little less cheap) and the 490 was walnut stocked and made to be a high-quality, above average 22LR rifle. Expensive and not very popular. They were all made in Canada too and some seemed to have a problem with that?? At that time most rifles were still made in the US.

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Old 06-16-2019, 05:14 PM
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Thanks for the info and opinions. I'll add that the 10/22 is much easier to take down and clean as well. The fact of where it was made was one of the reasons I bought it...the Cooey/Winchester plants were located about 15 minutes from where I lived when this rifle was built. The last plant was closed in 1979, but the equipment lives on, just up the road in Lakefield, building rifles for Savage.
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Old 06-17-2019, 01:00 AM
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The scope grooves are very narrow. i couldn't find and rings that would work. Will probably need a rail to be installed, which adds to scope height. Other than that, I liked mine, but it had a tendency to throw a flyer in one of five rounds - every magazine.
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The scope grooves are very narrow. i couldn't find and rings that would work.
This was my only 22 rifle for years and I didn't know the ring grooves weren't normal. I had bought some rings for grooved receivers and they weren't wide enough so I put a piece of copper wire (stripped house wiring) above the screw and tightened against that. Worked great for over 30 years.
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Old 07-01-2019, 10:18 AM
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Well guys, it's back together and functioning as it should. While doing the strip/clean/test-fire routine, I found a couple of things worth noting...

Misfeeds/FTL, and accuracy issues seem to be the most common complaints I found while searching out info on this rifle. If you have these issues with yours, I may have found solutions...

FTL: First, make sure it is clean. My first test fire session (before cleaning) showed it was pretty much a single-shot semi-auto. Even then, it was a pain to get it to pick up a round. After cleaning, it would fire the first 2, then either fail to load, or jam up on the next 3.
While thinking about a way to add more tension to the magazine spring, I noticed a rather large amount of clearance between the feed lips on the magazine and the grooves in the bottom of the bolt. If the round wasn't sitting perfectly, there wasn't enough brass there for the bolt to pick up.
I tweaked the feed lips up and out a bit, then test fit, and still found more than enough clearance. This allows the round to sit about 1/16" higher, and better centered in the magazine. The protrusion in the bottom of the bolt now picks up a round every time, and I have no more feeding issues. Nice.

Accuracy: After getting it functional, I decided to try sighting it in. That was a head scratcher. The first 3 rounds were pretty much 1 hole (only 25 yards), then one to the left, and one to the right. The next bunch were all over the place, but occasionally 2 or 3 would hit right on top of each other. I noticed that although it was all over the place windage-wise, it was pretty good on the elevation side of things.
This led me to the front sight. I tapped the hood off, and the front sight fell out in my hand! The dovetail is too loose, and the sight isn't wide enough to be locked in by the hood. This means the sight is sliding left and right by almost 1/8" while the gun is being handled. Wow!
I took a hammer and chisel, and gave the leading edge of the dovetail on the sight a wack, then tapped it back into place. It doesn't move now. I haven't been back out for another test session, but I'm pretty sure I found the issue.

I'm not saying this will be a cure for everyone, but if your 490 suffers the more common issues I have read about, this is a good place to start looking. If it makes any difference (for comparison sake), my rifle is in about the first 1/3 of production (ser # in the 9000 range).
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Old 07-18-2019, 02:53 PM
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I had one for a while years back. Nice rifle, yes felt like a centerfire. Jewelled bolt, flush 5-shot magazine, was a sleek rifle. I don't recall problems mounting rings in the grooves. I found I had to make sure to square the magazine mounting guide very well after disassembly, otherwise it wouldn't feed well. Nice grooved trigger but a little on the heavy side. What I didn't like was that it really lost zero after disassembly for cleaning. Mine was in excellent shape with a nice dark walnut stock, not sure why I sold it.
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Old 10-08-2019, 06:33 PM
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They are beautiful rifles.
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Old 10-09-2019, 04:37 PM
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I think the low collector interest is due to itís short production run. Not too many people have ever seen one.

Winchester produced 32,000 model-490ís starting in 1974 at their Oberg, Ontario, Canada plant and carried them in their catalogue for a few years.

Winchester stopped production of the model-490 to gear up for 1976 Bi-centennial lever action commemoratives.

It takes a while to set up a production line so 1976 weapons were probably built in 1975 which surely had an effect on the brevity of model-490 production.

As time goes by, more collectors will discover this beauty and values will rise.
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Old 10-10-2019, 12:05 AM
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I agree with all that has been said about the 490 Winchester. Here's mine, and with the right ammo and barrel tuning (slight pressure at the forward end) it can be quite accurate, considering that all semi-automatics in that era were not known for accuracy. Here's mine.

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Old 10-27-2019, 10:49 PM
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I bought one in 1975 and sold it in 1978. It just didn't resonate with me although I had no problems with it. The dovetails were narrow and I used the wire trick widen them.

I think Winchester brought it out because of their success with the Model 9422. That rifle was a rimfire understudy to the Model 94 and was a big seller. Perhaps Winchester thought that a .22 duplicating the Winchester 100 would repeat their success. It didn't but then the Winchester 100 was nowhere near as popular as the Winchester 94.
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