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Old 06-13-2019, 07:29 PM
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About 3/4 turn out on the trigger screw brought noticeable improvement; lighter pull, still crisp on let off. Good for now.
Seems the forward piston recoil is not friendly to my front bench bag filled firmish with cat-litter. Settle in like I do with a powder driven gun and the springer appears to shift the filler on each shot. Once I started palming the forestock, back of hand on the bag, the groups tightened waayyy up. Going to try my muzzleloader 'over the log' chunk with a lead shot filled small bag next.
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Give up the bag. No springer shoots well off a bag. You have to allow the recoil to happen. You need to use an artillery hold holding the gun as loosely as possible. The forestock should only rest on a open palm. Key is to locate that palm consistently. I place the same fingers on the same stock screws and then open my hand. Springers are hold sensitive, they have to be held the same way every time. Now your trigger hand has to be almost open and you have to consciously pull the trigger straight back against your thumb. The gun should be held so loose it almost slides down out of your shoulder. The purpose of the that grippy soft rubber butt pad is so you can hold it loosely. When bench shooting, shoot off your elbows and only use sand bags to steady the forearm that's holding up the forestock. Springers are a totally different animal than powder burners. If you can master them you can master anything. Especially higher power Springers like yours. The 97 is deliberately heavy to tame the recoil. They require some training but once you learn how to use them, they can be very rewarding to shoot. Be careful once you get the hang of them they become addicting. The 97 is a great bench gun if you want a fantastic fun gun you'll shoot for hours I recommend you look into the Hw30s or the same gun rebranded as the beeman R7.
If you'd like one a little lighter than your Hw97 but with the same power to hunt squirrels and rabbits to 50 yards look at a Hw95 or the same rifle rebranded as the beeman R9.
Enjoy, feel free to pm me if you want any more information

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Old 06-13-2019, 07:47 PM
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Great info RMS65; lifetime of shooting here, but not much air rifle time. This is very helpful.
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Old 06-16-2019, 03:00 PM
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Just had to know, so I set up my rigid 'chunk' (an adj. height wooden assembly) and set on the small, flat lead shot filled bag positioned where I palmed it the other day. This settled down and reduced groups by 1/2 over the big cat litter filled Caldwell front bag. This with more of the artillery hold.
My other errors became more evident; ie, a bit off of neutral/natural poa, (resulting in l/r) and inconsistent buttpad position (resulting in up/down) and/or a combination of both (argggg).
Will try the elbows only/forearm on bag to steady. Oh where did I put that skateboarding elbow pad???
Sadly, it is cold and misting today. I had planned on using Fathers Day as a bench day.....looks more like a 'golf nap' day.

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Old 06-18-2019, 04:11 PM
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nothing wrong with a nap day Gcrank! LOL I have the Beeman R-10 out and ready for a shoot today, rain permitting.
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Old 06-18-2019, 11:20 PM
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Careful gcrank, you're getting way too into this air rifle stuff. Before you know it you'll be setting up an indoor range in basement/barn, thinking about going over to the dark side (PCP), or looking for one of the SSP target magic sticks of old. Then comes pellet sorting, cleaning, lubing, and skirt truing. It's maddening, maddening, I tell you, but oh so fun to put 5 pellets into the same hole at 25 yards.

Lately I've been thinning the chipmunk population explosion via head shots out to 25 yards with a .177 Walther target rig. They never even hear it.

Keep us updated on your air rifle adventures.
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Old 06-19-2019, 01:14 AM
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Careful gcrank, you're getting way too into this air rifle stuff. Before you know it you'll be setting up an indoor range in basement/barn, thinking about going over to the dark side (PCP), or looking for one of the SSP target magic sticks of old. Then comes pellet sorting, cleaning, lubing, and skirt truing. It's maddening, maddening, I tell you, but oh so fun to put 5 pellets into the same hole at 25 yards.
I've only half got the sickness. I got the basement range, chronographs and tune my rifles but that's as far as I go. Pellet sorting, cleaning, lubing and skirt truing is way too much work for me. I might as well start measuring and weighing 22lr loads too then. Most of shooting springers is finding the best pellet for the rifle and having the right technique.

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Old 06-19-2019, 10:21 AM
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Basement is 'too short' but Ive had a tight 10yd set up for light powered air guns for decades now, though it hasnt seen much action in the last 5yrs or so.
And no barn....but iffn I did, boy oh boy, I could see a dedicated alley there! (for up through cf also)
I have noted that some pellets seat tight, most snug and a few a shade loose. I am uncertain if it is the head dia. or the skirt, guess I will have to sit and mic a bunch to segregate by head first. I have seen the 'looser' ones print low. In fact, I dedicated one bull of the multi-bull target as the 'loose pellet bull'; when I feel it seat loose there is no reason to shoot that into an otherwise promising group. Just like with 22LR 'bulk ammo' I expect bulk packed pellets are less than ideal. I also expect something better than Crossman Domed 22 is out there, albeit at a price. I am loathe to order something 'expensive' and not have it worth the price.
So, another question...
I see the pellets come in different head dia., does a rifle tend to not do badly with one 'too big' rather than 'too small'?; ie, better to ere on the fat side if one must ere?
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Getting the air rifle bug here as well; break bbls only at this point.
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Having a springer almost needs to mean you have at least one break-barrel .
I have 2....or is it 3, and a cheap old Chinese side-lever and now this under-lever (had a Chin u-l years ago). I had wanted the Stirling back in the '80s? Had the Daisy sgl-cock pneumo's too (853?) and still have the pistol (717?), and an RWS break-barrel pistol and a cute little Gamo repeater (with lead BBs/sgl with pellets) 'semi-auto'.
Geesh
This W-HW is a beast. I was thinking of selling my nice RWS 45 (1988) in .177 but, but, but. Hey, I know! If it doesnt sell I guess I will just keep it .
During the faux 22rf shortage I was not at a loss to shoot. Given the nature of things that could happen again, or, if in my declining years I must move into town...

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I also find my W. German Beeman R-10 heavy and a little demanding to cock, but it sure does shoot Gcrank. I have a Beeman Blue Ribbon scope on it...never weighed it but I know I'm carrying it around. My CZ Slavia 618 is super light and also fun to shoot. I want an Hw35E Walnut but might want to try an HW 30S--read they are very light and easy to cock.
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Old 06-20-2019, 07:23 AM
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I also find my W. German Beeman R-10 heavy and a little demanding to cock, but it sure does shoot Gcrank. I have a Beeman Blue Ribbon scope on it...never weighed it but I know I'm carrying it around. My CZ Slavia 618 is super light and also fun to shoot. I want an Hw35E Walnut but might want to try an HW 30S--read they are very light and easy to cock.
HW35 is not very much easier to cock than the the R10. Get a Hw30 (R7) and you'll have the most fun with that rifle than any other. Including powder burners. I have 2. One scoped and one with Williams peep sights. Both incredibly accurate out to 30 yds. I easily shoot beer cans on standing old arrow shafts out to 50 yards. They're so easy to cock a 9 year old girl could do it. Literally half the cocking effort of your R10. Order them from Krale in the Netherlands. Even with 48 bucks shipping it's still cheaper than buying one in the US. Not to mention faster. It takes a week to get a rifle from AZ to NY and somehow Krale gets me a rifle from the Netherlands in 2 days! Amazing service too. Trust me get a Hw30 and you'll be giggling like a little kid again. SUPER FUN
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I second what RMS65 said about getting the HW30. They are amazing shooters out to 25 yards. For target practice it is by far the best thing going. Easy to cock, great trigger, and way more accurate than seems possible. It actually gets to the point where you are working on technique from the beginning of each session because there are no weak points in the rifle to have to overcome, not even recoil related vibration; and it doesn't require a Springer rated scope.
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I see the HW30 is rated as 18 ft# of cocking effort.
My '88 RWS45 at 32.
The HW97K is STOUT, rated at 39. That 18 would seem like nothing.

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Tnx guys for the info! I might get an HW30 in addition to the HW35E...I'm hooked on that walnut stock on the 35E Walnut.
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Tnx guys for the info! I might get an HW30 in addition to the HW35E...I'm hooked on that walnut stock on the 35E Walnut.
Be forewarned most of the people getting walnut stock Weihrauchs have been underwhelmed with the stocks figure. The 35E is a classic that many people love but if you don't need the sling swivels brazed on the barrel you might enjoy the plainer 35 in beech.

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