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Old 03-05-2019, 01:41 AM
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yep i just bought 1000 rounds for 149 delivered.....if youre only reloading for savings youre barely coming out ahead if you factor nothing for your time.

im looking forward to the day when my time isnt worth anything but im not there yet
I'm retired on disability, and my wife has been telling me for years that I'm good for nothing.
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Old 03-05-2019, 07:29 AM
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There's an excellent writeup on tapatalk.com, czechpistols section on reloading 9x19.

Bunch of good tips. Staying out of trouble with 9mm means more sorting, inspecting, and nit-picking vs .45. I enjoy fussing over .300s, '06, .308, .375, etc. And I'm retired, able to load 9mm on a 550.

Breaking even (best case) to make 9mm practice ammo just doesn't make sense to me. In the event something unforeseen drives factory ammo prices crazy, I'd do it. Maybe. Better answer is to put in a good supply. Bought another 2k Mil Classic yesterday.
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Old 03-05-2019, 08:54 AM
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Reloading doesnít pay when ammo prices are low and and supply is plentiful.

Anyone remember when that wasnít the case? Hasnít been very long, has it?

Reloading really pays on expensive rounds like 45-70.

I never wanted for ammo during the shortage. Reloading was part of that strategy.
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Old 03-07-2019, 01:28 AM
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I have been getting the same sale flyers you all have about bulk 9mm Para ammo. This caused me to get out my trusty calculator to try and see what it is costing me now to reload.

7000 grains of powder per pound
Aprox. 5 grains per charge
=1,400 rounds per pound of powder

If a pound of pistol powder costs $22, that's 1.5 cents of powder per charge at the numbers above, right?

Jacketed 115 grain bullets (from Berry's, for instance) seem to be running about $.10 a piece.

Primers are around $0.2 each.

Assuming brass is free, and that my reloading gear and other consumables (lube, tumbling media) are also free or sunk costs (neither of which is true), that gives me completed rounds at about $0.14 per round.

My current conclusion: $0.16-0.17 per completed bulk factory round delivered starts to sound like a pretty good deal. This is particularly true when I consider the time it would take me to make up 1,000 rounds (around 5-7 hours). So that 7 hours of time is saving me about $30 per thousand rounds. Can't remember the last time I worked for $4 an hour.


Anyone else doing this math?
What i do is batch reload. I do not reload, just to reload unless i need ammo. Since i dont know what i want to shoot as in bullet, powder, velocity. So what i do is to have my brass ready to go. I do all of the prep work ahead when i dont have anything important to do. All of the brass has been sized, flared, cleaned and primed.

I do have about 1K of the various calibers ready to go, but it will be a sprinkling of various bullet types, sizes and velocities.

Then when i do need to reload some ammo, i just put them into reloading trays, drop the powder, place and seat/crimp the bullet.

i think the last time i did 1k, it took me ~1 hr. I have 5 reloading trays so i can get 500 or if i use the spaces between 1000 rounds ready.

I have several LEE Pro 1000s setup for various calibers, but i dont reload progressive since i want to do more physical check of the cases and i do that when im batch sizing, depriving, flaring and such when im handling the brass. I hand prime the cases too and also do the inspections at that time.

What i also do is to have several thousand pieces of brass of each caliber so i can have 1 or 2K primed and ready and the rest just ready, but they will need priming.

I still buy factory ammo, but i havent in 3 years now and about the only time i buy some its the Aluminum Blazer for places i cant or dont want to pickup the brass.
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Old 03-07-2019, 01:40 PM
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Other reloading problems

If you are just reloading for plinking or practice, it may not make much difference to you, but--

Loading your own rounds also runs the (small?) risk of contaminating the primer during handling, and resulting in a misfire. While this has only happened to me one time in all the thousands of rounds that I worked, the point is, it CAN happen.

Not a big deal if you are only plinking but could be a consideration if you are loading for competition or self-defense.
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Old 03-07-2019, 08:34 PM
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Slightly off topic.....

Ö.back in the late 1970's I shot a lot of skeet and reloaded 12,20 and 410 shot shells. My cost to reload a 12ga skeet shell was a nickel. Penny each for wad, powder [Red Dot], and primer and 2 cents for the shot. For every ten 12 ga shells I loaded I probably loaded two 20 ga and one 410. My 410 reloads were pretty puny, and crimps were a pain, as well as just fussing with the smaller pieces. 28 ga I just shot at meets and used factory ammo, usually Winchester AA.
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Sooo. First you need to buy some primers.



Then you need to get some bullets.



Then all you need is a press, dies, powder, cases, and some friends to help you shoot all the ammo you loaded.



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If you are just reloading for plinking or practice, it may not make much difference to you, but--

Loading your own rounds also runs the (small?) risk of contaminating the primer during handling, and resulting in a misfire. While this has only happened to me one time in all the thousands of rounds that I worked, the point is, it CAN happen.

Not a big deal if you are only plinking but could be a consideration if you are loading for competition or self-defense.
In 40+ years of handloading, I've had more misfires from factory ammo (not counting rimfire) than I have from my handloads. I've had 2 handload misfires and more than 5 factory ammo misfires, and I shoot handloads 3 to 1 over factory.

Your results may vary....
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Old 03-09-2019, 09:20 PM
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I have been getting the same sale flyers you all have about bulk 9mm Para ammo. This caused me to get out my trusty calculator to try and see what it is costing me now to reload.

7000 grains of powder per pound
Aprox. 5 grains per charge
=1,400 rounds per pound of powder

If a pound of pistol powder costs $22, that's 1.5 cents of powder per charge at the numbers above, right?

Jacketed 115 grain bullets (from Berry's, for instance) seem to be running about $.10 a piece.

Primers are around $0.2 each.

Assuming brass is free, and that my reloading gear and other consumables (lube, tumbling media) are also free or sunk costs (neither of which is true), that gives me completed rounds at about $0.14 per round.

My current conclusion: $0.16-0.17 per completed bulk factory round delivered starts to sound like a pretty good deal. This is particularly true when I consider the time it would take me to make up 1,000 rounds (around 5-7 hours). So that 7 hours of time is saving me about $30 per thousand rounds. Can't remember the last time I worked for $4 an hour.


Anyone else doing this math?
Two things, brass for reloading is not always free and once fired brass from new 16 cent factory ammo has resale value bringing that cost down to maybe 14.5 cents. Also 16 cent factory ammo is not always burk ammo. I've buoght it packed in 50 round boxes, which is what I prefer. I have a Dillon SD press all set up and dedicated to 9mm that never gets used. Not worth my time.
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Old 03-11-2019, 08:15 AM
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I all comes down to what the reloader is setup for and their capabilites. Then it's location/location/location.

Myself, I cast my own bullets & have since the 80's for a bunch of different calibers. I use free range lead which ='s free bullets. Where I shoot at there's always a bunch of brass laying around. I use what I want and either sell the rest off or scrap it. I'm sure someone will come up with the usual wasted time thing or nothing's free/electric, gas, yada-yada-yada.

Well, my time is my own and this is my hobby. At the end of the day I get paid $$$ to cast my own free bullets. A bi-product of using free range lead to cast bullets with is copper jackets. I average 1 to 2 of these a year depending on how much lead I want/need. Buckets of copper jackets.
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Every year since 1985/86? I've been selling the copper jackets, the $$$ varies with the prices of scrap going up & down.
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This receipt also has scrap brass on it.
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There's so much 9mm brass laying around what I don't use to reload with, sell or sell as scrap I turn into bullets for the 38spl's/357's.
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When you use free bullets/free brass to reload your 9mm's you end up with +/- $40 a 1000 to make your own reloads.
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Never did like to pay the factory for their blammo ammo. Some of it's ok but for the most part I'd rather roll my own.

$149/1000 delivered. Not bad & you can get $$$ either selling the cases (+/-$20) or scrapping them. Myself I'd rather go with my $40/1000.

What's $40/1000 get me??
Blammo ammo for a 1911/1100fps 125gr hp's
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Those reloads/1911 pictured above does this for $40/1000.
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Or this
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What that 191 looks like after burning $20+ (500+ round range session) of that blammo ammo.
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No brushing needed, that same bbl using 1 wet patch with hope's #9 and 1 dry patch to clean it
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Myself I'd rather take the $109 difference between buying 1000 rounds or making my own. That $109 buys a lot of primers (5000) or #4/#5 of powder when it's not on sale.
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While the cost comparison may figure out for 9mm, it is easily cheaper to reload for the other calibers I shoot. .327 Federal Magnum, .38 special, .357 magnum and .45ACP are all considerably more expensive to buy off the shelf.

Also, buying the bargain ammo means you have no real choice in bullet style, weight, powder charge or type.

I just started handloading last year, and quickly learned that it isn't fast. In fact it becomes a hobby all its own. But it's rewarding to do the work and find a load that is accurate and shoots well in your particular gun. And it's financially rewarding to laugh at the ammo sales because I roll my own.
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Myself I'd rather take the $109 difference between buying 1000 rounds or making my own. That $109 buys a lot of primers (5000) or #4/#5 of powder when it's not on sale.
That is some fine shooting.
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Dillon XL 650

I ordered my Dillon XL 650 at the NRAAM in Dallas, Texas in 2018. I added the case feeder, which is Dillon’s new design for 2018, and the Mr. Bullet Feeder.

I received everything from Dillon in May, but I didn’t get it setup until July, due to work and the fact that I was building a new reloading table just for it and my Dillon RL550B.


It took me a little while to get my Dillon 9mm dies adjusted. Then, after about 200 rounds, I had everything fine tuned. After getting used to it , I decided to see what it was capable of, so I started the clock. As fast as I felt comfortable going, I cranked out 1,200 rounds per hour. I have loaded just over 20,000 rounds of 9mm on it so far. On average, I crank out 1,000 rounds per hour comfortably. I usually just load 300-400 rounds at a time and only put enough powder in it to do just that much.

Using The Blue Bullets and VV N350 powder my costs for 50 rounds is just under $6. I could get my costs to about $5 by using a cheaper powder, but I like the Vihtavuori powder.

I got the Dillon RF 100 small primer filler and it works great with my Winchester, CCI, and Federal small pistol primers. It usually takes just under one minute to fill a hundred primers in the tube. It will automatically cut off after two minutes unless you turn it off first. This way you can start it and go back to reloading. It has always turned the primers the right way before letting them drop down the tube.

I buy most of my powder and primers from Powder Valley.


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I all comes down to what the reloader is setup for and their capabilites. Then it's location/location/location.

Myself, I cast my own bullets & have since the 80's for a bunch of different calibers. I use free range lead which ='s free bullets. Where I shoot at there's always a bunch of brass laying around. I use what I want and either sell the rest off or scrap it. I'm sure someone will come up with the usual wasted time thing or nothing's free/electric, gas, yada-yada-yada.

Well, my time is my own and this is my hobby. At the end of the day I get paid $$$ to cast my own free bullets. A bi-product of using free range lead to cast bullets with is copper jackets. I average 1 to 2 of these a year depending on how much lead I want/need. Buckets of copper jackets.
[IMG][/IMG]

Every year since 1985/86? I've been selling the copper jackets, the $$$ varies with the prices of scrap going up & down.
[IMG][/IMG]

This receipt also has scrap brass on it.
[IMG][/IMG]

There's so much 9mm brass laying around what I don't use to reload with, sell or sell as scrap I turn into bullets for the 38spl's/357's.
[IMG][/IMG]

When you use free bullets/free brass to reload your 9mm's you end up with +/- $40 a 1000 to make your own reloads.


Iíve been reloading since the mid 1970s. My grandfather taught me how to cast bullets. I have never made bullets out of 9mm cases. That is awesome.
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