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Old 01-25-2019, 07:42 AM
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Last night was a test... I have a few plastic stocked rifles that should be re stocked... But frankly I don't want to out the $$ into them. Sweat equity is fine tho.

SO, I bought some carbon Fiber rods and tubes on eBay for cheap. The plan is to hog out the forends and drop in these tubes bedded in epoxy for the added strength and rigidity. With OUT much added weight.

Last night I started on a Savage B mag as I have two stocks for this one. So far so GOOD!!

Was easy to snap off the ribs in the forend with needle nosed plyers. I trimmed the 8mm solid rods down with a dremil and dry fit them. Mixed some Devcon epoxy, then the rods followed by more epoxy. Filled to the top of the center rib I left in place. I did have to remove the plastic "tower" that was for the forend screw. But no worries, I'll re drill into the epoxy once completed.







This AM, the stock was cool and STIFF!! NOT much weight added either. I used maybe a 1/4 cup of epoxy. 2 minutes with a 3/4 rough file and the 2/3 high spots where flush.

Tonight or this weekend, I will fill the butt with something...Its hollow and also flexable.

Then I will install the action and bed the rifle to the stock. NOT a full bed as there aint really a "full" stock here. Rather, I'll bed the front of the barrel in front of the front action screw, float the barrel and a tiny bit at the tang at the rear action screw. This rifle as no recoil lug. Might need to go back and add barrel support as it is a skinny barrel...but that's easily don't later.

This was a pretty good shooter even tho a pencil barrel. Mostly I didn't like the flex in the stock. But surely this will enhance accuracy or at the very least be favorable towards it.

CW

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Good work. Ya gonna rattle can it?
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Good work. Ya gonna rattle can it?
Probably... Need to address the comb height too, but that's gonna be last so its still up in the air at this point.

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Well it worked perfectly... But seems futile as the stock flexes from the thin sides where magazine inserts.

Ooh well. No harm but few ounces added.

Last night I bedded the barrel ribs.



Popped it out this morning, Worked well enough. But needs second application and I havent dont the tang yet.

I took the dremil to all surfaces, re applied the release and mixed more JB. Its in for a second time!


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Second bedding was the ticket!! Also bedded the tang this time.





Ext week my scope will be in and Ill test fire next weekend. Plus that will give this bedding a week to harden and completely qure.

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Well it worked perfectly... But seems futile as the stock flexes from the thin sides where magazine inserts.
Some say a one piece pictinney scope rail adds to receiver rigidity.
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Some say a one piece pictinney scope rail adds to receiver rigidity.
I'm always a fan of using a picatinny rail on everything, rimfire and centerfire. I have one on my Bmag, got it from DIP Inc.
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Hey CW, good to see you still in pursuit and taking the challenge
If it can be 'fixed' you are the guy to do it!
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Ha, thanks man. Well Ill try to fix it anyhow!!


I have some two piece bases on it now. Hadent considered the need for a one piece. But I agree its more ridged.

Yea its the stock Im refering to when I speak of the flexing. Yes again uts the flex in the middle of the stock where the magazine inserts. The “sides” of the stock are thin and offer very little support.

I need to decide on what might fill the butt and not add appreciable weight. I think most anything would offer some rigidity improvement.

I have to say, overall the stock is better and with action installed with the new bedding its flexing less too. Those band cuts/fins offer many corners and sides for the epoxy to hold.

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Well it worked perfectly... But seems futile as the stock flexes from the thin sides where magazine inserts.
Some say a one piece pictinney scope rail adds to receiver rigidity.
I Ordered a 20 moa base today!!

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Thanks Doc, Ill try that!!

Shot the gun yesterday... New scope unexpectedly arrived early!!

I think I have scope problems... I am HOPING no damage occurred but I had to really crank the elevation and feel might be near end of range because when I adjusted Windage.... elevation changed.

Before I touched adjustments I shot two groups and BOTH where touching holes for three shots with 20G Winchester. BUG HOLES! like 22 caliber holes. I was ELATED!!

After siting and shooting some 100 rounds... last three groups where over 1" @ 50 yards for 20G Federal, 20G Winchester and 25G Winchester.

As stated above, I ordered a 20MOA base that I am anticipating gaining 20MOA from my elevation turret removing the "bind" I fear I introduced in Windage and thus, allowing Windage room to function properly.

I may be wrong, maybe, my analogy is all wet, don't know its speculation.

Any thoughts?

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I shot the gun again today. I took some time to clean the barrel well. Took 3-5 shots to foul and shot a 5 shot 100yard group.



One big change. This barrel never liked the 25g bullets. It shot the 20g Winchesters best.
Well, last W/E and today show a defineate preferance for them!

I decided to mimic a elevation change and elevated about 15-20 MOA. THEN HELD LOW to compensate.

I shot some on 250y and was able to keep a 4” ish group even with two mill windage allowance.

This is such a light barrel, I am gonna take advantage of the stiff forend I made and FUll length bed the barrel channel.

The darn UPS fudged up shipping on my base. Should have been here Yesterday. Left LA postal hub Monday.... Thursday it was back in same LA hub. %%%?!?! SO... probably see it Wednesday IF it isnt sent on a tour of the USA.

Ooh well, it wont be ready to shoot till next weekend anyhow! 😉

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Last night was a test... I have a few plastic stocked rifles that should be re stocked... But frankly I don't want to out the $$ into them. Sweat equity is fine tho.

SO, I bought some carbon Fiber rods and tubes on eBay for cheap. The plan is to hog out the forends and drop in these tubes bedded in epoxy for the added strength and rigidity. With OUT much added weight.

Last night I started on a Savage B mag as I have two stocks for this one. So far so GOOD!!

Was easy to snap off the ribs in the forend with needle nosed plyers. I trimmed the 8mm solid rods down with a dremil and dry fit them. Mixed some Devcon epoxy, then the rods followed by more epoxy. Filled to the top of the center rib I left in place. I did have to remove the plastic "tower" that was for the forend screw. But no worries, I'll re drill into the epoxy once completed.






This AM, the stock was cool and STIFF!! NOT much weight added either. I used maybe a 1/4 cup of epoxy. 2 minutes with a 3/4 rough file and the 2/3 high spots where flush.

Tonight or this weekend, I will fill the butt with something...Its hollow and also flexable.

Then I will install the action and bed the rifle to the stock. NOT a full bed as there aint really a "full" stock here. Rather, I'll bed the front of the barrel in front of the front action screw, float the barrel and a tiny bit at the tang at the rear action screw. This rifle as no recoil lug. Might need to go back and add barrel support as it is a skinny barrel...but that's easily don't later.

This was a pretty good shooter even tho a pencil barrel. Mostly I didn't like the flex in the stock. But surely this will enhance accuracy or at the very least be favorable towards it.

CW
The problem with the wsm stock is in the area of the magazine area. It's to thin.

If you sit in a chair place the stock between your feet. With your right hand grab the wrist area a d your left hand grab the barrel. Without letting the barrel move now move the wrist of the stock side to side and watch the tip of forend touch the barrel left to right as you move the wrist.
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Next I bedded the “rings” as seen in on line video. Seems like a good idea to me as well. Someting to offer a good spot for transfer of recoil impulse. Better than the tiny tang anyhow.

I had to bed it twice as my acra glass was expired and this stuff is quite a. But looser.

No issue. Two times was about perfect.

At the range accuracy was about same maybe even a lil worse. But it was windy. Biggest change was positive. The rifle now shows favorability to the 25g bullets.

After cleaning well, I Shot it again and accuracy was better again. Hornady Federal & Winchester shot about 1.25-1.35 100 yard groups. 25 Grain was just under 1” @ 100. But not pretty. Couple touching and one to two always thrown 1/2-3/4” out.

Remembering that thin barrels many times need a forward pad or full bedding. I took advantage of my super stiff forend and bedded it FL!

Darned if the Devcon epoxy didnt go off before I was ready!!! Grrr. Good thing I slathered it with release and taped the stock really well!!!

It poped out and cleaned up fine. But was touchy for a few monutes and I admit a few choice words where spoken. 😉

I need to re touch the very tip of the stock and 1” up one side. But otherwise very nice full bed of barrel.

I finaly got my MOA base yesterday. Installed with red loc tite after flushing holes and cleaning screws.
Then preceeded to snap off my base ring bolt. Had torque set to 25 cause I disnt have glasses. Was suprised it snapped. But maybe was fatagued and was cause of my flyers. Hummmm

Any how. Only rings I had suitable where about 1/4” tall. But will suffice till I buy new.

These B mags require taller ring because of bolt handle not so much obj dia. My obj on a 40mm was 1/4” high but bolt JUST KISSED eye piece on scope..

Pics when Im able to post for those intrested.

CW
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Next I bedded the “rings” as seen in on line video. Seems like a good idea to me as well. Someting to offer a good spot for transfer of recoil impulse. Better than the tiny tang anyhow.

I had to bed it twice as my acra glass was expired and this stuff is quite a. But looser.

No issue. Two times was about perfect.

At the range accuracy was about same maybe even a lil worse. But it was windy. Biggest change was positive. The rifle now shows favorability to the 25g bullets.

After cleaning well, I Shot it again and accuracy was better again. Hornady Federal & Winchester shot about 1.25-1.35 100 yard groups. 25 Grain was just under 1” @ 100. But not pretty. Couple touching and one to two always thrown 1/2-3/4” out.

Remembering that thin barrels many times need a forward pad or full bedding. I took advantage of my super stiff forend and bedded it FL!

Darned if the Devcon epoxy didnt go off before I was ready!!! Grrr. Good thing I slathered it with release and taped the stock really well!!!

It poped out and cleaned up fine. But was touchy for a few monutes and I admit a few choice words where spoken. 😉

I need to re touch the very tip of the stock and 1” up one side. But otherwise very nice full bed of barrel.

I finaly got my MOA base yesterday. Installed with red loc tite after flushing holes and cleaning screws.
Then preceeded to snap off my base ring bolt. Had torque set to 25 cause I disnt have glasses. Was suprised it snapped. But maybe was fatagued and was cause of my flyers. Hummmm

Any how. Only rings I had suitable where about 1/4” tall. But will suffice till I buy new.

These B mags require taller ring because of bolt handle not so much obj dia. My obj on a 40mm was 1/4” high but bolt JUST KISSED eye piece on scope..

Pics when Im able to post for those intrested.

CW
Quite a day!

My bolt does the same to my Leupold enough that I put a piece of electrician's tape on the eyepiece to prevent wearing when I forget to be gentle cycling the bolt.

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