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Old 08-19-2018, 03:35 PM
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Aaaah, wkd, should have expected that one....

So you only claim minute of critter, eh?

At least that's realistic.

Do you claim all day long too?
I've had some incredible 3 and 5 shot groups with my 1516 unfortunately there is a lack of consistency with WMR ammo. Groups don't always come out as .25 or even .375 buy I've had enough to tell me the rifle has the potential all a 50 round group would prove is that WMR ammo sucks with respect to consistent velocity/accuracy. A fact I've been aware of since 1961.
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Old 08-19-2018, 03:49 PM
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Funny...where are the guys claiming great accuracy with the WMR...I remember a post a few weeks ago when someone claimed 1/4" at 100m with a WMR. I'm hoping to see him in the next Olympics
In our end of the woods (Alberta) what we call 'gophers' are really a type of mole and pretty small. I don't feel comfortable trying for them much past 75yds with my WMR 'cause I can't be guaranteed I won't make a clean kill, due to hitting them in the legs or such.
But for rabbit sized animals the WMR is my goto rimfire out to 125 yds or so.
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Old 08-19-2018, 04:24 PM
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I don't tend to shoot rimfires at 100 for target shooting. At 50 my 452 Varmint with 30 or 33 grain ammo shoots very small clisters and my 77/22vbzm will too. Assuming the clusters were in the 3/4 inch range that would put my 100 yard average into the 1.5 inch range but some groups will be better and others bigger. I'm not sure a 50 yard continuous string of shots is a fair test unless done spread out over several hours to simulate hunting conditions. Barrels as they heat can do funny things. rc
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Old 08-19-2018, 04:47 PM
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Funny...where are the guys claiming great accuracy with the WMR...I remember a post a few weeks ago when someone claimed 1/4" at 100m with a WMR. I'm hoping to see him in the next Olympics
In our end of the woods (Alberta) what we call 'gophers' are really a type of mole and pretty small. I don't feel comfortable trying for them much past 75yds with my WMR 'cause I can't be guaranteed I won't make a clean kill, due to hitting them in the legs or such.
But for rabbit sized animals the WMR is my goto rimfire out to 125 yds or so.

This topic has been hashed over a number of times with the pretty much the same conclusions, and I promised myself to stay out of this one, but, to answer your question and verify that there indeed some great shooting WMR rifles out there. All groups shot with either 2x7 or 3x9 Leupolds. Maybe it's a freak rifle, but it shoots very well....a stock CZ 452.



100 yards:






50 yards:




I do agree that the main limiting factory is the lack of quality match ammo.

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Old 08-19-2018, 06:53 PM
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Well....

I shot the last of my RWS 22 mag years ago, from my Amt Magnum Hunter. I never shot a 50 round group but it would hold 1.25” @ 100 yds for two or three groups until the barrel heat got to be too much. I sold the rifle when the available ammo didn’t measure up. Although I see RWS has it on their website but doesn’t import it here anymore. It was $32/50 rounds when I last bought some.
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Old 08-19-2018, 07:12 PM
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I was out at a friend's farm a week or so back with my Savage 93 .17HMR, Rem. Mdl Five .22LR and my Zastava MC22 .22WMR. I was shooting at 50-59 yds on a root waud behind his house. The 123 yd root waud was hidden by Johnson grass which I hope gets bush hogged in the next week or two before dove season.

Anyway, my Zastava as a Mueller APG 4.5x14X 44mm scope. I was shooting off my B&D homemade shooting table.



I had zeroed the rifle a couple weeks earlier with Aguilla 40 HPs, but I was not able to get any more so I was shooting CCI 30 gr. at 2200'/s, This is a 3 shot group at 59 yd.s.



The Hornady 30 gr.s were shooting just about the same, maybe one click higher. This is a five shot group with 1 shot a click high. I was holding at 6 o'clock on the bottom of the target dot.

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For fun I was shooting bing cherries off a 2x4, also at 50 yd.s . Granted this is not a 100 yd.s but it is halfway there. When my 123 yd. stump becomes visible, I will post some more pics and hope for the best.

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Old 08-19-2018, 08:36 PM
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Nothing wrong with that shooting....
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Old 08-19-2018, 08:47 PM
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Don't care about 50 shot groups or even 10, no animal I've ever hunted stood still that long.
Plus 1 here. The most important shot is the first one and since the 22 mag is a hunting round 50 shot groups just don't make sense to me. Maybe one shot a day for 50 days would tell a better story for a hunting rifle.
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Old 08-19-2018, 09:19 PM
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Why 50 shots?
It tells a more complete story, not a synopsis of the results.
You buy a box of 50. You are going to shoot the entire box.
The question is: What are the results, on target, of that box of ammo?
Not the best shots, not the worst shots, all the shots.
What can you expect from your rifle when you aim at the target?

Look at pump_22's targets, the groups sure are purdy, eh?
Notice anything undesirable about those groups?
They travel up and down, left and right relative to the aimpoint.
What would happen at 50 yards with a 1 dot 1 shot target?
Do you think the results would be as impressive?
Or would the poi's dance around the aimpoints?


You know I have target results to make my point, right?

1 dot, 1 shot, 50 yards, point of aim is center dot of bullseye





As 5 shot groups they'd be adequate, if you did an overlay.
As a display of the variations in mv and resulting trajectories
it would most definitely make you wonder what the heck was going on?

Carry the concept out to 200 yards and a single point of aim for 50 shots
22wmr ammunition quality leaves much to be desired.




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Old 08-19-2018, 10:02 PM
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And the next box of 50 may have a smaller or larger group, just rehashing what some of us have known all along.
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Old 08-19-2018, 10:09 PM
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Agreed.
Some of us.
Some, not so much.

I apologized in advance, remember?
I was feeling cantankerous after a foray through the forum.
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Old 08-19-2018, 10:18 PM
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Agreed.
Some of us.
Some, not so much.

I apologized in advance, remember?
I was feeling cantankerous after a foray through the forum.
Happens here now and then, more so on a couple other forums.
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Old 08-20-2018, 02:30 AM
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50 rounds? Not me, I'm a hunter not a paper puncher.

These 3 shot groups are typical for my 22mag 982vs at 100 yards.
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Old 08-20-2018, 06:51 AM
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Why not 50?
Seriously...2 groups of 3 is proof the rifle is capable of decent accuracy.
But 2 groups of three is not an indicator of ammo quality.
The discussion has to do with claims of continuos moa and sub-moa results.
Not random acts of accuracy. If the idea of shooting 50 rounds at a single aimpoint
Is cost prohibative to your thinking, that's okay. But to analyze a cartrdge's quality,
the number of shots needs to be substantially higher. Think along the lines of
lot testing match 22lr for competition. You base your conclusion on a large sample,
not 6 shots. 50 seems to be an adequate start, and not that big an expense.
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Old 08-20-2018, 11:00 AM
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Those of us who love this little round understand and except its limitations. Why do so many love the Hornet or the 30-06 when there are so many other options available? Its a personal thing.
Yes, I'm irritated by the "mine shoots 1/2in. all day long at 100yds." crowd also. Those of us that have really messed with the .22mag. know better. Once in a while,maybe, but certainly not consistently.
After 2 frustrating years of trying to get a 455 .22mag. to shoot even ONE moa group, I went straight to the top and picked up a 1720. Still am getting to know it but have shot my first moa groups with a .22mag. with it and it dances right around moa regularly. Now, I'm not a benchrest shooter, I'm a hunter. I shoot off sandbags and none of my scopes exceed 9x so this latest combo pleases me greatly.
When I want sub moa "all day long" I pull out my 452, load up some SK + and smile all the way home
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